EU Sues Denmark for Not Outlawing Snus

[Snusdog]

I wonder why no one is threatening the EU and Congress with future lawsuits regarding family members who died because KNOWN harm reduction products were kept from the market.

If the tobacco lawsuits of the past were big......this stands to be a potential goldmind

[Burnsey]

PRobably the same way Jack Daniels can still run a distillery in Tennessee. Question for people closer to the situation. What happens if they flat out refuse. Are they in too deep to get out of the E.U? Cant they just get into a ton of debt like Greece and claim they sell it to raise taxes to get out of debt?

I'm not sure about your questions, but Denmark agreed to no snus when they joined the EU so their legal position is not good.....Sweden on the other hand got an exemption to produce snus when they joined the EU.

[joserra]

According to my knowledge it's something way different

Maricón (maricones is plural por maricón) means "pussy" or "faggot" in spanish

[GN Tobacco Sweden AB]

Maricón (maricones is plural por maricón) means "pussy" or "faggot" in spanish

bravo joserra that's what they are

[Skell18]

I wonder why no one is threatening the EU and Congress with future lawsuits regarding family members who died because KNOWN harm reduction products were kept from the market.

If the tobacco lawsuits of the past were big......this stands to be a potential goldmind

Thats not a bad idea!

[Skell18]

Shit shit shit ...... V2 tobacco going down the shitter is not a good thing at all ... Oh god . Just googled as well and apparently Denmark have capitulated . This is problematic .... But how do v2 get away with making portion snus as it is anyway ?

They don't sell portion snus in Denmark, only lös, portions are made for Sweden. All Swedish match need to do is what V2 do already and just out chewing tobacco on the tin, that was approved by the EU for sale. Loopholes, all about loopholes!

[whalen]

A cat or a cigarette?

[Thunder_Snus]

Was there any particular reason for Denmark joining the EU? Could they simply back out? Who exactly is it that calls for this ban throughout the E.U with the exception of Sweden? I thought Norway Sweden and Denmark had their own kind of union and common currency.

For people actually in the E.U. Is the E.U a thing you see lasting or just a short term deal that will crumble like similar deals in the past.

[Skell18]

Was there any particular reason for Denmark joining the EU? Could they simply back out? Who exactly is it that calls for this ban throughout the E.U with the exception of Sweden? I thought Norway Sweden and Denmark had their own kind of union and common currency.

For people actually in the E.U. Is the E.U a thing you see lasting or just a short term deal that will crumble like similar deals in the past.

Norway isn't in the EU, they keep voting no! Sweden,Norway and Denmark all use krone but their own versions of it, not legal tender in each other's country iirc. Norway has all the benefits of the trade with EU countries without the shit of being in the EU, which is what the UK should have, works perfectly well for Switzerland and Norway. You're probably just thinkin of the Scandinavian block voting for Eurovision

Sweden are exempt from the ban because it was a term of them joining in 1995 that they are exempt from the ban for obvious reasons. The whole ban came about because of some dickhead here (sorry) when skoal bandits were released decided they were bad (this is after building the factory and employing all the people to make them etc). That person has now admitted he was wrong and that it was based on false science, as a consequence all tobacco not chewed or sniffed was banned I.e. Dip and snus.

The EU has it's pros and cons, more cons than pros IMO as it's turning into one big superstate and stopping us from dealing with our own problems in our way via our own laws etc. it will implode spectacularly at some point, especially if they ever let Turkey join, the more likely outcome is the euro collapses and then it goes back to what it should only ever have been, a trade agreement, and we can snus to our hearts content!

im not an economist before anyone asks, or a politician, just dam good looking!

[Zubenelgenubi]

Brussels are bunch of maricones, but it's nice word now days

Hahahahahahahahaha

[squeezyjohn]

For people actually in the E.U. Is the E.U a thing you see lasting or just a short term deal that will crumble like similar deals in the past.

Do you mean like the U.S.A ?

Seriously - the E.U has done some fantastic things in it's history ... but it has changed beyond all recognition throughout my adult life ... what I used to believe was a very worthwhile formalised partnership to promote trade and give an alliance to help stop conflicts arising within Europe has become a very expensive unaccountable bureaucracy which has far more power than is useful and quite a lot of corruption.

It all began to go wrong with the single european currency ... what a ridiculous idea that you can have a stable currency that has to bridge the gaps between the wealth and industry of countries like Germany with places as poor as Greece (sorry Greece) ... the currency union has created the need for far more unity of politics than is comfortable for the member states and frankly ... the smokeless tobacco ban is the least of our worries!

I think it will fall apart ... but slowly and messily ... it's not going to be pretty.

[Thunder_Snus]

Norway isn't in the EU, they keep voting no! Sweden,Norway and Denmark all use krone but their own versions of it, not legal tender in each other's country iirc. Norway has all the benefits of the trade with EU countries without the shit of being in the EU, which is what the UK should have, works perfectly well for Switzerland and Norway. You're probably just thinkin of the Scandinavian block voting for Eurovision

Sweden are exempt from the ban because it was a term of them joining in 1995 that they are exempt from the ban for obvious reasons. The whole ban came about because of some dickhead here (sorry) when skoal bandits were released decided they were bad (this is after building the factory and employing all the people to make them etc). That person has now admitted he was wrong and that it was based on false science, as a consequence all tobacco not chewed or sniffed was banned I.e. Dip and snus.

The EU has it's pros and cons, more cons than pros IMO as it's turning into one big superstate and stopping us from dealing with our own problems in our way via our own laws etc. it will implode spectacularly at some point, especially if they ever let Turkey join, the more likely outcome is the euro collapses and then it goes back to what it should only ever have been, a trade agreement, and we can snus to our hearts content!

im not an economist before anyone asks, or a politician, just dam good looking!

I know Norway isn't part of the E.U but i thought Norway Sweden and Denmark and maybe even Finland and Iceland had their own trade union agreement type deal years back.

[Thunder_Snus]

Do you mean like the U.S.A ?

Seriously - the E.U has done some fantastic things in it's history ... but it has changed beyond all recognition throughout my adult life ... what I used to believe was a very worthwhile formalised partnership to promote trade and give an alliance to help stop conflicts arising within Europe has become a very expensive unaccountable bureaucracy which has far more power than is useful and quite a lot of corruption.

It all began to go wrong with the single european currency ... what a ridiculous idea that you can have a stable currency that has to bridge the gaps between the wealth and industry of countries like Germany with places as poor as Greece (sorry Greece) ... the currency union has created the need for far more unity of politics than is comfortable for the member states and frankly ... the smokeless tobacco ban is the least of our worries!

I think it will fall apart ... but slowly and messily ... it's not going to be pretty.

I guess the USA could be seen as similar but what i meant was former trade agreements like this. I know atleast a few countries entered into some similar things but they collapsed before either world war. I like the idea of being able to freely pass between the countries but I don't see the purpose of all the other stuff that comes with being part of the E.U. Common currency COULD be helpful but in a case where places like Greece and Germany use the same currency someone from Germany could go live in Greece for years with little income while someone in Greece could only hope to visit Germany for a few days. And then to add confusion I know atleast the last time I had to look into it for some econ courses Denmark was still using the kronar but it was pinged to reflect inflation and buying power with the Euro.

Perhaps the EU should look to have something similar to the U.S. I would never call the US anything near perfect but we can freely travel from state to state. Some things are legal here and illegal there. You can apparently get high in Washington Cali and Colorado while you could an go to jail for having the stuff in other places. I'm just trying to imagine a bunch of old retired men meeting at some fermented fish cafe everyday and suddenly they can't finish a meal and have some snus together anymore. Very sad to imagine whether you use snus or not....some tradition from your country for hundreds of years is now suddenly illegal

[trebli]

Speaking of the EU, I read something I found mind-boggling.

"As Poles mark 10 years of absorption into the world’s biggest single market, the fault lines remain.

Halfway through a 229 billion-euro ($317 billion) EU aid package, more than the entire Marshall Plan for postwar Europe in today’s dollars, the money kept the Polish economy growing when the rest of the continent went into recession. The new business parks, highways, soccer stadiums and airport terminals also mask how for many Poles the passage to prosperity is still to come, with 17 percent of families of four living on less than $400 a month."

That's a lot of money by anyone's standards.

[squeezyjohn]

I don't know if you can get it in other countries - but we've just had the most brilliant satire of the whole EU problem distilled in to a 45 minute radio programme on the BBC. It's called The Great Squanderland Roof (squander land = Ireland in this case!)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04967j9

If you can get the link to work - do have a listen - it shows up just how ridiculous today's EU is!