Do you use the new but fastly gaining in popularity Nicotine Pouch products?

[Chewbacca]

Interesting…

[willc]

I have tried four different nicotine pouch cans and they are not for me. The way they feel and the release of nicotine is too different from snus for me to use them all the time.

It kind of sucks because new np products out number snus on all the usual sites. In the short time I’ve been using snus things have changed a whole lot.

[tom502]

I was over at Reddit, and I kept reading these bad reviews of Juice Head, that's the only NP I've had, and seemed ok to me, it's not really a good flavor, but I'd get more of them. I'm a newbie to NPs overall. I originally wanted a low nic, but I got a 6 which from what I read is normal strength, Juice Head just has 6 and 12. I've been mostly curious about Rogue, they look appealing, and I like how they have a Tabac and unscented flavor. But the bad reviews I read on Reddit says they are bad on the gums. And Juice Head tastes like vape juice, which I never had. Next time I'm at the store I'll get something different. I wish my local grocery would list their tobacco stuff on their website, but I guess that's verboten, as they do list the alcohol, I'd just like to see what they carry and their prices.

[Chewbacca]

I do wonder if some of these companies will make a tobacco alkaloid “cocktail” for some of these pouches.

I also think that if you get initially addicted to pharmaceutical nicotine without the minor alkaloids (through vape, pouches…etc) that it is less of a concern for adding the minor alkaloids.

I also wonder if pouches as NRT/smoking cessation would be more effective with a “fully loaded” pouch, even if the uptake is still faster with the nicotine salts than a traditional snus pouch.

What about… tobacco pouches minus the nicotine. So get yourself off the addictive nicotine and enjoy the benefits of the other alkaloids - even ramp up those alkaloids. This could ideally be done by a botanical expert breeding out the nicotine in the tobacco plant or alternatively in a science lab.

[tom502]

I don't see a way to just delete a previous post. I'm just trying to get my situation right with my venture experiments.

[Premium Parrots]

Hell yea, years ago tobacco products used to be in your face everywhere, not...not so much. IMO if ya quit you should stay quit. Its dam hard enough to quit as it is. However, I needed to quit for health reasons years ago so I switched to snus, my heart got worse recently so I switched to a low nic white pouch....because I just can't quit altogether. I never feel the low nic and there is no tobacco so at least I got to this point. As far as cigs go, hell no, I feel if I even have one cig I would go straight back to them. I loved my camel menthol or Kools too dam much. Good luck on your journey mate.

[tom502]

I'm curious about Fre. I think that's an American thing. I haven't looked into tobacco/nicotine in while, and I'm still on the fence if I want to get back on. I think I'm bored. Years ago I was younger, had a job, had an active band, now I don't much do anything. My local grocery has it's tobacco area behind an area, and it's hard to see what all they have. I wish their website would show what they carry, but this stuff is so suppressed they make it hard on purpose I think. Everything used to be better and more free.

[Monkey]

I do wonder if some of these companies will make a tobacco alkaloid “cocktail” for some of these pouches.

I also think that if you get initially addicted to pharmaceutical nicotine without the minor alkaloids (through vape, pouches…etc) that it is less of a concern for adding the minor alkaloids.

I also wonder if pouches as NRT/smoking cessation would be more effective with a “fully loaded” pouch, even if the uptake is still faster with the nicotine salts than a traditional snus pouch.

[Monkey]

What is HDT Monkey ?

Is it the case that we chase tobacco satisfied with the nicotine pouches and in the hunt we get stressed and overdose? I agree that nicotine pouches have their place when you're in a pinch. Also, what brand of nicotine pouches are the moist ones? I don't remember any of them.

High Dry Toast by F&T. It’s a dry English nasal snuff.

According to the internet, Swedish Velo (and others) have a higher moisture content than American nicotine pouches. American ones are filled with a dry powder. It is like putting a salt packet under your lip and I have to wet them on my tongue before putting them under my lip. I have yet to experience this, but I think moist may not mean “wet” and may just mean not bone dry.

[mattias]

Chewbacca is correct.

Here is some science explaining how some minor alkaloids influence tobacco use and nicotine uptake. It is from 2009, it was funded by Association pour la Recherche sur les Nicotianées (ARN), France (Imperial tobacco), but it was less biased than articles published by American tobacco. Good luck finding published tobacco studies not funded by a tobacco company.

https://academic.oup.com/ijnp/article/12/10/1355/720831

Highlights:

In the present study, we have shown for the first time that a cocktail of the minor tobacco alkaloids: anabasine, anatabine, cotinine, myosmine and nornicotine produces a similar effect. At concentrations relevant to those contained in cigarette smoke, addition of the minor alkaloids to the nicotine infusion solution significantly enhanced locomotor activity and sensitization, increased the reinforcing efficacy of nicotine over several doses and strengthened rats' motivation to obtain nicotine. We have also shown that of the minor alkaloids tested, myosmine, anatabine and cotinine individually increased nicotine-induced locomotor activity, highlighting a possible role for these specific minor alkaloids in tobacco addiction.

It is possible that the divergence in responding following self-administration of nicotine or nicotine plus the minor alkaloids represents a differential transition of the underlying neurobiology controlling the behavioural outcome, a theory supported by the finding that application of cigarette-smoke extract produces greater up-regulation of nAChRs than that observed following nicotine alone

Interestingly, the levels of activity induced by nicotine plus anatabine, cotinine or myosmine were equal to, or greater than, that recorded for the cocktail including all alkaloids, suggesting that the relationship of the minor alkaloids with nicotine is synergistic rather than additive.

Overall, these results demonstrate that the addition of the five minor tobacco alkaloids can significantly alter the stimulatory and reinforcing effects of nicotine over several behavioural procedures. Further studies are required to better elucidate the precise nature of the mechanisms underlying the changes seen in the presence of the minor alkaloids, both in combination with nicotine, and independently.

Tak! It's a really interesting read. you guys really know your tobacco skills.

[mattias]

So today I was out and about and grabbed a tin of American Velo (4mg spearmint) from a gas station. I used these nicotine pouches exclusively, no other oral tobacco and only my morning pinch of HDT after my shower.

They’re tasty, super convenient, and extremely discreet. I liked them and they didn’t bother my gums at all.

Throughout the day I kept overdoing on the nicotine but not feeling satisfied. I found myself chainsnusing them and about three hours before I got home I just stopped using them. As soon as I got home I popped in a General white and I finally feel satisfied.

For me at this point, in a pinch a nicotine pouch isn’t bad and I feel like I could use them for a few hours throughout the day or as a flavor change up. I do like mint sparingly, but not enough to carry a whole tin with me all day. But, in preparation for my next order I wanted to evaluate them alongside snus. Like I’d keep a tin of the dry ones in my glove box just in case, but I could not switch full tilt.

Now I do have a single tin of Swedish nicotine pouches on order as I hear they are moist and different from what is on offer in American gas stations to gauge if there is a difference.

What is HDT Monkey ?

Is it the case that we chase tobacco satisfied with the nicotine pouches and in the hunt we get stressed and overdose? I agree that nicotine pouches have their place when you're in a pinch. Also, what brand of nicotine pouches are the moist ones? I don't remember any of them.

[Chewbacca]

I’ve tried to like them and I do at first but I don’t last much more than a week two weeks maximum.

[Monkey]

I feel this too with all the nicotine pouch I've tried. I wonder if there is more to tobacco than just nicotine.

Chewbacca is correct.

Here is some science explaining how some minor alkaloids influence tobacco use and nicotine uptake. It is from 2009, it was funded by Association pour la Recherche sur les Nicotianées (ARN), France (Imperial tobacco), but it was less biased than articles published by American tobacco. Good luck finding published tobacco studies not funded by a tobacco company.

https://academic.oup.com/ijnp/article/12/10/1355/720831

Highlights:

In the present study, we have shown for the first time that a cocktail of the minor tobacco alkaloids: anabasine, anatabine, cotinine, myosmine and nornicotine produces a similar effect. At concentrations relevant to those contained in cigarette smoke, addition of the minor alkaloids to the nicotine infusion solution significantly enhanced locomotor activity and sensitization, increased the reinforcing efficacy of nicotine over several doses and strengthened rats' motivation to obtain nicotine. We have also shown that of the minor alkaloids tested, myosmine, anatabine and cotinine individually increased nicotine-induced locomotor activity, highlighting a possible role for these specific minor alkaloids in tobacco addiction.

It is possible that the divergence in responding following self-administration of nicotine or nicotine plus the minor alkaloids represents a differential transition of the underlying neurobiology controlling the behavioural outcome, a theory supported by the finding that application of cigarette-smoke extract produces greater up-regulation of nAChRs than that observed following nicotine alone

Interestingly, the levels of activity induced by nicotine plus anatabine, cotinine or myosmine were equal to, or greater than, that recorded for the cocktail including all alkaloids, suggesting that the relationship of the minor alkaloids with nicotine is synergistic rather than additive.

Overall, these results demonstrate that the addition of the five minor tobacco alkaloids can significantly alter the stimulatory and reinforcing effects of nicotine over several behavioural procedures. Further studies are required to better elucidate the precise nature of the mechanisms underlying the changes seen in the presence of the minor alkaloids, both in combination with nicotine, and independently.

[Monkey]

So today I was out and about and grabbed a tin of American Velo (4mg spearmint) from a gas station. I used these nicotine pouches exclusively, no other oral tobacco and only my morning pinch of HDT after my shower.

They’re tasty, super convenient, and extremely discreet. I liked them and they didn’t bother my gums at all.

Throughout the day I kept overdoing on the nicotine but not feeling satisfied. I found myself chainsnusing them and about three hours before I got home I just stopped using them. As soon as I got home I popped in a General white and I finally feel satisfied.

For me at this point, in a pinch a nicotine pouch isn’t bad and I feel like I could use them for a few hours throughout the day or as a flavor change up. I do like mint sparingly, but not enough to carry a whole tin with me all day. But, in preparation for my next order I wanted to evaluate them alongside snus. Like I’d keep a tin of the dry ones in my glove box just in case, but I could not switch full tilt.

Now I do have a single tin of Swedish nicotine pouches on order as I hear they are moist and different from what is on offer in American gas stations to gauge if there is a difference.

[Chewbacca]

I feel this too with all the nicotine pouch I've tried. I wonder if there is more to tobacco than just nicotine.

There is. Bit like coffee is not just caffeine.