So what's up with the shipping charges from Sweden from Northerner?

[Premium Parrots]

I say we offer up a human sacrifice right away to apease the honorable shipping god UPS.




wheres Chad?

[LaZeR]

This is all getting to be a bit much. I see in my future (Goodbye Snus, it was nice knowing you...) and WeLcOmE back CoPe.

[danielan]

This is all getting to be a bit much. I see in my future (Goodbye Snus, it was nice knowing you...) and WeLcOmE back CoPe.

I hear Owens Corning sells something similar, but at a discount in quantity.

[GoVegan]

This is all getting to be a bit much. I see in my future (Goodbye Snus, it was nice knowing you...) and WeLcOmE back CoPe.

Never and I refuse to go back to smoking as well. If this stuff about the fees turns out to be real then the only thing to do is ban with other snus users who live near you and combine shipments.

[LaZeR]

I hear Owens Corning sells something similar, but at a discount in quantity.

I'll wrap my chaw in some spent "sugarless" bubblegum to protect my gums.

[danielan]

I'll wrap my chaw in some spent "sugarless" bubblegum to protect my gums.

Or I could save my spent portions for you?

[LaZeR]

It's going to be easier to buy a bag of "Mary Jane" than it is snus.

....Only in America....

[lxskllr]

I haven't heard much about individuals becoming tobacco dealers. I wonder how much money/hassle is involved in that process. That could pay for itself very quickly, especially if small groups of members from each state went in together.

[Snusdog]

How annoying do you want to be to the only courier service that is shipping tobacco to consumers post-PACT (as far as we know).

You do have a point here but at the same time UPS stands to make a pretty penny. Maybe they do not want to lose this business and will respond to correction rather than just quiting

But I think there is something deeper at foot here and it is daily churning just below the surface

It is wrong to be played (by Congress, UPS, AT&T, the banks, whoever). We have come to a place where the American citizen has no recourse. I don't have the funds to sue AT&T for screwing me. Congress has established a playing Field where the corporations that elect them hold all the cards to the hurt of the public. American History would advice that this is a very dangerous corner in which to back the American ethos. We tend not to stay there for very long. We tend to become willing to fight our way out.....with guns.

For too long we as American have responded with an "Oh well what can be done" attitude.

We used to be a nation that responded on principles

UPS will charge us brokerage fees as long as we let them.

Congress will enforce PACT as long as we let them.

Sometimes a black market is a clear and righteous vote.

[socal70xr7]

I wonder if the manufacturers have any idea on how UPS is planning on screwing us like this. It seems it would be in there best interest along with the retailers to come up with some kind of alternative to getting boned dry by Big Brown! The shipping thing is a total racket. Some snuser should create a shipping company to handle all inbound product and tell UPS to F@@k off and die. Hopefully Mike will get something from Northerner to make up for him getting screwed like that.

[Snusdog]

I haven't heard much about individuals becoming tobacco dealers. I wonder how much money/hassle is involved in that process. That could pay for itself very quickly, especially if small groups of members from each state went in together.

Funny you should mention that..........I just posted a thread on Tobacco laws by state that I ran across researching this very thing.

In SC the only thing you have to do is fill out a one page application and make a $5000 deposit- The deposit is to insure that if you go out of business there will still be money enough to pay the tobacco taxes you owe.

[GoVegan]

You do have a point here but at the same time UPS stands to make a pretty penny. Maybe they do not want to lose this business and will respond to correction rather than just quiting

But I think there is something deeper at foot here and it is daily churning just below the surface

It is wrong to be played (by Congress, UPS, AT&T, the banks, whoever). We have come to a place where the American citizen has no recourse. I don't have the funds to sue AT&T for screwing me. Congress has established a playing Field where the corporations that elect them hold all the cards to the hurt of the public. American History would advice that this is a very dangerous corner in which to back the American ethos. We tend not to stay there for very long. We tend to become willing to fight our way out.....with guns.

For too long we as American have responded with an "Oh well what can be done" attitude.

We used to be a nation that responded on principles

UPS will charge us brokerage fees as long as we let them.

Congress will enforce PACT as long as we let them.

Sometimes a black market is a clear and righteous vote.

Very well said! Congress could have been reasonable about this and allowed USPS to ship tobacco and verify the age of the receiver for a small fee to make everybody happy but they chose to push the PACT crap to an extreme.

[socal70xr7]

You do have a point here but at the same time UPS stands to make a pretty penny. Maybe they do not want to lose this business and will respond to correction rather than just quiting

But I think there is something deeper at foot here and it is daily churning just below the surface

It is wrong to be played (by Congress, UPS, AT&T, the banks, whoever). We have come to a place where the American citizen has no recourse. I don't have the funds to sue AT&T for screwing me. Congress has established a playing Field where the corporations that elect them hold all the cards to the hurt of the public. American History would advice that this is a very dangerous corner in which to back the American ethos. We tend not to stay there for very long. We tend to become willing to fight our way out.....with guns.

For too long we as American have responded with an "Oh well what can be done" attitude.

We used to be a nation that responded on principles

UPS will charge us brokerage fees as long as we let them.

Congress will enforce PACT as long as we let them.

Sometimes a black market is a clear and righteous vote.

I vote for rebellion and a black market! If we knew how bad those we voted for were going to pump it in our ass we would have never let them in!

[lxskllr]

Funny you should mention that..........I just posted a thread on Tobacco laws by state that I ran across researching this very thing.

In SC the only thing you have to do is fill out a one page application and make a $5000 deposit- The deposit is to insure that if you go out of business there will still be money enough to pay the tobacco taxes you owe.

Ouch. That $5,000 makes it tough :^/

[sgreger1]

UPS's and the feds are just beggin me to quit my day job and get all Tony Montana on their asses. Buy a single engine sesna and fill it with Thunder Frosted, then have a well armed shootout with local police upon landing, then I take the snus, launder it through snuson and it all ends up piled in a big mountain on my oak desk, where I quietly mumble "You need people like me. Someone you can point your finger at and say "that's the bad guy""