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[Premium Parrots]

If the good lord did not want us to eat animals, HE WOULD NOT HAVE MADE THEM OUT OF FOOD!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

amen

[lxskllr]

I used to be vegetarian, and still would be if someone did my cooking(a girlfriend used to). I don't like cooking much, and good vegetarian food, while tastier than meat, is much more labor intensive. Meat's easy to make taste good. Vegetables take some skill to go beyond the boring basics.

[chadizzy1]

When it comes to meat, Denis Leary knows what's up.

Denis Leary: I tried eating vegetarian. I felt like a wimp going into a restaurant. "What do you want to eat sir? Broccoli?" Broccoli's a side dish, folks. Always was, always will be, OK! When they ask me what I want, I say: What do you think I want? This is America. I want a bowl of raw red meat right now.

Denis Leary: This is America! I want a bowl of raw red meat, right now! Forget that! Bring me a live cow over to the table! I'll carve off what I want and RIDE THE REST HOME!

[sgreger1]

I'm hardly an environmentalist, but world hunger concerns me and an animal used for food provides less food than the grain it eats. It's really inefficient.

If Americans werent eating cows, the food the cows ate would not end up in third world countries, that's not how it works. Eat meat

That, and meat eating is shown time and time again to be detrimental to longevity and long-term health. Second on the list is veganism, and I know that, so please remember I'm talking about just not eating animal flesh.

Lol, everyone in my family dies between 80-90, we all eat meat. Not trying to live longer than that, would rather enjoy a good meal.

Notice I didn't bring up the ethics of it- because I'm not concerned about them, I'm concerned about humanity. An animal is better used as a medical test subject than as a meal.

We don't need that many medical test subjects, and we've got millions of cows, eat meat.

[sgreger1]

If the Good Lord did not want us to eat animals, HE WOULD NOT HAVE MADE THEM OUT OF FOOD!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO so true. Why are they so tasty then? We are omnivores, by nature we are built to eat some meat. Science and god both point towards --> eat meat

[Mullolley]

I find the carnivore/vegetarian argument to consistently be one of the most civil. Every time it pops up somewhere, people argue, but with respect to each other. It's a good thing.

I eat cows.

[sgreger1]

I find the carnivore/vegetarian argument to consistently be one of the most civil. Every time it pops up somewhere, people argue, but with respect to each other. It's a good thing.

I eat cows.

To each his own you know? I was made as a human being, which are designed to eat meat as well as greens, we've made it this far on meat, and it tastes delicious.

If you want to eat a salad, than by golly our bodies can live off that too! Isn't that convenient?

[tom502]

Well, everyone has to make their own choice and come to their own conclusions, and I am not a fanatical pro-vegetarian myself, and more in support of the idealism of it, more than the strict practice, as I myself have not yet come to.

But what makes me side with vegetarianism most, is the spiritual and karma implications. Of course everyone will have to reach their own conclusions or ideas. But to me, ingesting killed beings, is a negative karma, and contributing to the factory slaughterhouses is a big negative karma. Karma is a sanskrit word that means "action", and in a spiritual sense, killing is a bad action, which affects one's total life karma, and even consciousness, which all contributes to one's afterlife condition.

We can eat meat, but we don't have to. I think people that hunt and kill and eat their own meat is better, karmicly than factory farm consumers.

I don't know what, if any, anyone else's spiritual ideas are, and everyone is free to do as they see fit. But I ascribe mainly with the teachings of Buddhism and Hinduism, as I find them to make the most logical sense.

I am not a full vegetarian, will probably eat some chicken tomorrow, but I do believe it has an acumultive karmic cost in the big picture. So, I accept my karma, but I do want to make it better.

[sgreger1]

@Tom

I see where you are coming from. But I dont see killing and eating something as spiritually bad. It would seem contradictory with the fact that all life has the ability to live because as part of nature we kill and eat each other. The circle of life, everyone does it. If no animals ate each other, the world would be very different if even existant at all.

[tom502]

Well, yes, but while animals eat others animals because of instinct, man has reasoning and consciousness, and can make a reasoned choice. That's the main part that put man at a higher level than animals. Now some people in certain parts of the world, may only have meat to eat, and in such cases, they do what they have to do.

[sgreger1]

Good point.

But Tom... Tomy boy, my good friend.. it's just so darn delicious loloool

[tom502]

I don't disagree.

[deebocools]

firstly, I don't believe in god and don't give a good goddamn what "god" "thinks" we're supposed to eat or not eat. And to settle the score, humans are made of food too, as well as your household pets. And you probably won't eat them(ok, come back with "I would!", though you haven't)

Secondly, I never made the claim that humans aren't omnivores. But to say that because we're naturally omnivores, we should eat meat, is a fallacy. What's natural isn't always what's best. In the same vein, try to subside on a strictly carnivorous diet versus a vegetarian one. One will kill you, one won't.

I understand at some point it was neccesary for humans to eat meat. Now, with abundance, modern farming technology and vitamin synthesizing technology, we can live(longer) without killing animals directly for food. Who wouldn't be on board with that? it boggles the mind.

The biggest point of all, that's hard to explain to meat-eaters, is that meat smells, looks and feels like a dead animal. Dead animals are disgusting and you don't want them in your stomach. I really can't pinpoint when it occurs to someone after not eating meat for a period of time, but it always does.

If you could prove to me that meat is healthy, not a strain on the environment, and sustainable, I still wouldn't eat it. It'd be like eating your least favorite food.

[deebocools]

other clarification: a vegetarians diet need not consist entirely of salad, broccoli etcertera.

It's a common ad-hom on vegetarians that they're just eating leaves, fruit, rocks, wood. anything that didn't involve killing an animal is available to eat. You've eaten vegetarian many days in your life and not given it a second thought I'm sure.

[BatRastard]

I tried being a vegetarian for a year. Mostly for health but also because of
the environmental aspects. I took classes to learn to cook Indian food,
read up on balancing my diet to get all amino acids and other nutrients
one needs. Went whole-hog, err... whole-carrot on the program.

After a year every joint in my body hurt bad enough I went to see a doctor.
He did his thing and at the end asked me if I recently stopped eating meat.
I was all proud and shit when I answered and was totally blindsided when
he said "Well stop that, you need to eat meat." Turns out some people
whose forefathers all ate meat for thousands of years cannot just change
that in one lifespan. Picked up a steak on the way home, grilled that puppy
up, and the next day started feeling much better.

I still eat plenty of fruit and vegetables and avoid fast food, but cows run
a risk crossing my path. (and pigs, turkeys, chickens, geese, ducks, and
marmosets.) (actually not sure what the heck marmosets are, maybe
some kind of monkey, but the name is just tasty sounding...)

So you meat-eater-hating vegans out there leave me alone, I am eating
perfectly legal medical-meat on doctors orders! I use karma as a salad
dressing.

Bat :twisted:

DAY 1 of first vacation in a year.