Data on Nicotine Content of American Dip

[LHB]

I've heard a number of times that American tobacco companies are very secretive about the ingredients that go into their dip. So I was very suprised to find that the Altria website contains easily accesible data (put out by the company, of course) on the nicotine content of all the brands that Altria now controls, most or all of which are associated with the U.S. Tobacco Company brand.

http://www.ussmokeless.com/en/cms/Home/default.aspx

I know that many other variables come into play when determining how the nicotine content of tobacco actually translates into bioavailability and subjective perception, but still, it's interesting to see the numbers. Most of what I used in the past has a very similar nicotine content to the various Extra Strong varieties of Loose Snus, and the nicotine content of the Skoal Wintgergreen Pouches is over 17 mgs! Check it out if you're interested.

[snusjus]

I'm surprised the pH level of dip is in the 7.5 range. Swedish Match snus is relatively high: 8.9 for General and Grov, while the "weak" brands are in the 7.5 range. Other nicotine absorption variables with dip include the cut of the tobacco and the placement of the tobacco on the bottom lip. Most of my friends who dip think snus is stronger than dip though; this leads me to believe the high pH level of snus makes the absorption of nicotine highly affective.

[tabacco_love]

but theres other chemicals in dip that speed the absorption. I know when i was dipping, I would get dizzy from the nic rush, it was a lot stronger than snus.

Snus is a cleaner nic feeling, it doesn't make you feel high, just alert.

[snusjus]

but theres other chemicals in dip that speed the absorption. I know when i was dipping, I would get dizzy from the nic rush, it was a lot stronger than snus.

Snus is a cleaner nic feeling, it doesn't make you feel high, just alert.

I don't think tobacco companies are adding secret chemicals to make the nicotine in the tobacco more absorbent. The nicotine content from "dip" tobacco hits faster because its placed in the lower lip; the higher level of saliva in the lower lip carries the available nicotine to the membrane mucosa faster.

The most affective way to increase nicotine dosage is to increase the pH level. That's why I'm surprised American tobacco companies don't have a higher pH level in their smokeless tobacco products.

However, I could be completely wrong. Here is the ingredient list for dip tobacco manufactured by U.S. Smokeless:

* Water
* Tobacco
* Salt (Sodium Chloride)
* Natural and Artificial Flavors
* Ammonium Chloride
* Ammonium Carbonate
* Sodium Carbonate

The ingredients are identical to snus. I still believe the pH level is the best indicator of available nicotine absorption.

[rkh3]

Why is it that most of the posts I read about American tobacco v Swedish tobacco trust the Swedish companies but not American companies? When ingredients are discussed the majority of people believe the Americans, as a rule, not everyone, but blindly accepts Swedish data?
Do get me wrong, I love Swedish snus but they are both for profit tobacco companies.

[KarlvB]

Why is it that most of the posts I read about American tobacco v Swedish tobacco trust the Swedish companies but not American companies? When ingredients are discussed the majority of people believe the Americans, as a rule, not everyone, but blindly accepts Swedish data?
Do get me wrong, I love Swedish snus but they are both for profit tobacco companies.

Probably the fact that snus is regulated by the National Food Administration (the Livsmedelsverket) as a food stuff and has to adhere to similarly stringent guidelines, has been studied to death by various government bodies etc

[Liandri]

Several company who make Moist Snuff have their ingredients listed on their website. And much by your surprise the same company that makes the most popular Sweedish snus also makes very popular Moist snuff for American consumption as well.

You mean to tell me that the same company who makes Swedish snus knowingly and secretly puts horrible chemicals in moist snuff as well that make the user dizzy and nauseated and horrible feeling? Sounds like a class action law suit to me.

[tom502]

We all know it's the fiberglass.

I do think the idea of "less harmful" of snus, does come into mind when we read that snus has to meet their FDA standards for food, and the idea that one doesn't need to spit plays into it.

[Liandri]

We all know it's the fiberglass.

*bonk*

[captncaveman]

Funny, in Canada all the dip have their nicotine content printed on the tin, as well the level of lead, nitrosamites and so on. I really don't think dip is really that bad for you, besides the teeth rottening sugars.

As for the Swedish match dip brands, i believe they are made close to their snus, also the nic content is lower. If you ever tried Red Man natural you will find the taste is so different that all the natural flavored dip around. It has a snus earl grey flavor.

[Tristik]

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You'll be able to find all US tobacco products listing ingredients either on their websites, or on their products soon enough. The FDA in the states has been granted the right to regulate tobacco.

Their first move? Ban flavored cigarettes. Local shop has 2 rows that used to be all cloves. They can't sell those anymore. Oh, but wait! What's that?! All the flavored cigars are still there.....

The excuse? Flavored cigarettes cater to children. But, by some magical nugget of wisdom, watermelon Phillies don't? Uh....WHAT?!
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[Liandri]

Don't be a dork, Watermellon, grape, and ESPECIALLY peach Philies are like the manliest f***ing thing since high top converse sneakers.

[Redbeard]

Not to mention the flavored blunt wraps... 8)

[Snusify]

I regularly use american dip and swedish snus and anyone that thinks dip is stonger should consider the size of their pinches.

Dip appears to give you a bigger hit simply because the size of the pinch is way bigger than the average size of snus prilla.

Already mentioned in this thread is the fact that much more saliva is created when you are lowerdecking. Dip is about sucking juice is it not. This does carries nicotine faster to the mucous membrane.

Having said that when I take a hillbilly pinch of snus without baking it straight to my upper lip I get a bigger experience than i do with dip.


can of dip lasts me 1 day

can snus lasts me 3 days

this shows i need much less snus is required to maintain my nicotine hunger.

[LHB]

I'm a new Snus user, but have used American dip off and on for many years. When I first tried Los snus, I went through the ritual of "baking" it and putting it behind my upper lip. You could feel the nicotine, but with General Los and a pretty big pris, it was still nowhere near the hit you get from Copenhagen or Skoal Long Cut. So tonite I tried using it the way I used to use American dip, behind the lower lip and toward the back of my mouth.

Suprise! Pretty much the same hit as American dip, but it tastes so much better and doesn't make you salivate nearly as much. I also tried it with portions. It seems you get a significantly stronger nicotine hit when you "lower deck" snus as opposed to "upper decking" it. In addition, if you have an outdated or dried out can of portions, it seems you get more flavor from putting it down below, maybe because of the extra salivary glands. Has anyone else had the same experience?