My Snus Days May Be Over

[Lucky Striker]

In all fairness, we knew when we started using tobacco or smoking that we ARE the devil. Tobacco use has been stigmatized heavily for the last forty years. I don't agree with the fact that we're the scapegoat of the entire civilized world, but I didn't delude myself into thinking that when I started smoking everyone was going to give me a medal for it and a round of applause.

I think it should be illegal and punishable by death to fire or bar employment to someone that uses tobacco. But to increase your health insurance by 25 dollars a week? Be glad that you have the insurance in the first place. Many of us don't.

[Badfish74]

*bows gracefully out of this discussion*

[sgreger1]

No freaking way, companies are testing for nicotine now? What has this world come to?

I mean its legal, and is not mind altering. What could be the possible benefit for this? Reduction in healthcare premiums? Good lord.

[ctimb2002]

*bows gracefully out of this discussion*

Agrees wholeheartedly and runs to hide behind the fun house meet ya there

[Badfish74]

Agrees wholeheartedly and runs to hide behind the fun house meet ya there

Sounds like a plan! *pops in a Grov Svart and hauls ass to fun house*

[texasmade]

tell em you're on the patch

[CM]

Only in USA.... :lol: :lol: :lol:

We allways speak with my friends etc. how strange place USA is. lol :P
Specially the celebrities...

[Snusdog]

Hold on just a damn minute. ctimb200 you and Badfish get your asses back up here.

Lucky Striker wrote:

I wish I had troubles that smal

Now on the one hand I agree whole heartedly with Lucky. It’s a relatively small problem to have in a world full of a whole lot of real big problems. However, on the other hand I disagree. It’s not the amount they are charging it is THAT THEY ARE CHARGING AT ALL. Now while I won’t get out my milk crate and give a speech, I do think something very bad is happening in our country. Freedoms are being slowly whittled away one $25 dollar fine at a time. And that my Friends is no small matter

[kevin32]

Not so true. A number of companies are now making folks lose weight or they will be charged way more just like you will be for using tobacco.

In the end it'll just ruin the point of health insurance by making to many diverse groups, or any for that matter.

Either way, hopefully Obama will bring free health care to the USA, making all health insurance plans void in a way. Now, this would cause a huge alcohol and tobacco duty, HOWEVER, tobacco lobbyists may lobby them to drop duty on snus, as its not been proven to cause many/any health problems and thus snus users are lower risk. If tobacco companies are succesful at this, a huge snus surge could happen in the US.

[Adios_Cope]

The company I work for started that crap along with their wellness program. Here's what I did.... I called in sick the day they were doing all the testing (the lab/wellness people were at my place of employment that day) To make it up, I had to go to their office. It's usually someone like labcorp doing the testing. They aren't all "high security" about it in their own office, they just send you into the nearest bathroom to piss in a bottle. I had my wife piss in a small nalgene bottle and kept it nice and warm till the time came to empty it out.

The results came back negative for nicotine, but they did find out I was pregnant :wink:

Seriously - **** all these people who think it's ok to test for nicotine. The gloves are off - lie, cheat, steal.. whatever you have to do to keep those assholes out of your business. But whatever you do, don't quit because they told you to.

[CM]

LOL ADIOS! Haha.

[Snusdog]

Look it comes down to one word “recourse”. Today at an ever growing rate the average citizen is finding himself with out recourse.

Now cigato you could refuse any testing on the ground of the 4th amendment (unlawful search and seizure). Several cases just like this are being batted around, testing whether or not the 4th covers info (as property) and not just “hard” property. You could sue on the grounds that cigarettes are far more dangerous than pipe smoke and yet the same burden of penalty is being imposed upon you. You could…and then you could… and oh yea you also could.... but the truth of the matter is you won’t because you can’t afford to. You are, for all practical matters, with out due recourse.

If snus use is shown to cause an undue burden on the insurance pool as does cigarette use, then we should be made to pay a greater share of the cost. However, we are not given recourse to even ask the question: does snus indeed pose a measurable risk?

As far as national health care. Has any one here ever moved to a new state and gone to get a new driver's license? Remember all the B***t ? Is that really what you want every time you go to the doctor?

[joshua]

**** 'em. If they're doing blood tests for nicotine, start loading up huge pris of skruf stark and chain/double barrell Thunder 24 hours a day and try to get the high score. Then watch them try to do the math to see how much/often you'd have to be smoking to get a blood nicotine level that high.

Report the result here and bask in the praise you'll receive.

[TBD]

Either way, hopefully Obama will bring free health care to the USA...

Without getting into the politics of that... There is no such thing as free health care. You will pay for it, probably more than you do now. Whether as higher taxes, or higher costs on products you use. If the gov. taxes/charges companies to pay for it, they won't pay squat, they will just raise their prices, and you will pay more for their products. Just look at the so called "tobacco settlement". The tobacco companies have to pay billions to the states. What happened? They jacked the price of a pack of smokes $1 per to pay for it. Example two... The new FDA bill charges tobacco companies and importers for it's funding. Do you think the companies will not raise prices to cover the extra costs? Especially little guys like Gotlands or V2 or Northerner.
There is no such thing as free. Somebody always pays, and it's usually the last guy in the chain.

[Kanlee]

So if you play contact sports you would have a higher risk of injury so you should pay more?If you do manual labor= higher risk?How many Werthers can I eat a day before I pay more or am taxed for them?Round and round it goes---?
If all benefit all should pay.