EU Tobacco Directive Leaked

[Frankie Reloaded]

What exactly is with the Anti's, why all the hate and perseverance? I know logic and science has nothing to do with it, but it seems to be pure hate at work, and Lawyers.

IMO this is a religious issue. They see themselves as saints/Puritans and us as BDSM-porn makers.

[chainsnuser]

What exactly is with the Anti's, why all the hate and perseverance? I know logic and science has nothing to do with it, but it seems to be pure hate at work, and Lawyers.

Some are indeed puritans with a "religious mission", some are brainwashed do-gooders, most are probably just employees doing their job against their own better judgement.

Carl V. Phillips has a comprehensive list of anti - harm reduction - motivations on his new webseite "Anti-THR lie of the Day". It's very worth reading:
http://antithrlies.wordpress.com/about/

Cheers!

[Skell18]

What more evidence do you need to take immediate legal action against the EU?? Blatant FALSIFIED evidence, that is called fraud, plain and simple!

[Frosted]

I wonder if they lift the ban would Swedish Match sue the EU for loss of revenue.

[Skell18]

I wonder if they lift the ban would Swedish Match sue the EU for loss of revenue.

I would be preparing the papers as we speak!! **** that I would be preparing the papers to challenge the ban right now!

[Frosted]

Maybe this is what they're worried about cause something stinks like a dog with choleras backside about this.

[BadAxe]

I would be preparing the papers as we speak!! **** that I would be preparing the papers to challenge the ban right now!

unfortunately no one man (short of Bill Gates) could afford to fight a ban like that, and the gov't's know this. Tis a shame the fight would come down to how much money you got, but doesn't everything else in this world?

[squeezyjohn]

This is ludicrous. I'm going to find out who my MEP is and get an appointment - serious (the public are so disengaged from EU politics that very few actually vote or know who their MEP is - believe me). This is beyond the standard ridiculous dogma and slow boring bureaucracy of the EU ... this is actually both an illegal and deceptive act and against the health interests of the people they claim to represent.

Everyone in the UK who doesn't want a career in politics is entirely disillusioned by the bizarre complexity of the EU parliament - and from just looking in to who represents me I'm already dying of boredom ... but this is too important to ignore.

[Skell18]

unfortunately no one man (short of Bill Gates) could afford to fight a ban like that, and the gov't's know this. Tis a shame the fight would come down to how much money you got, but doesn't everything else in this world?

I agree, but a collective of snus companies could fight it, if GN teamed up with Swedish Match, Skruf, JTI and Gotlands et al then there would be (esp RE SM and JTI) unlimited funds to fight it. This needs to be brought to people's attention!

[Skell18]

This is ludicrous. I'm going to find out who my MEP is and get an appointment - serious (the public are so disengaged from EU politics that very few actually vote or know who their MEP is - believe me). This is beyond the standard ridiculous dogma and slow boring bureaucracy of the EU ... this is actually both an illegal and deceptive act and against the health interests of the people they claim to represent.

Everyone in the UK who doesn't want a career in politics is entirely disillusioned by the bizarre complexity of the EU parliament - and from just looking in to who represents me I'm already dying of boredom ... but this is too important to ignore.

agreed!

[squeezyjohn]

I agree, but a collective of snus companies could fight it, if GN teamed up with Swedish Match, Skruf, JTI and Gotlands et al then there would be (esp RE SM and JTI) unlimited funds to fight it. This needs to be brought to people's attention!

Unfortunately I don't think that's true ... if we're going to get them over this it has to be cleverer than a straight legal battle - I think we've got to catch them out with something that's a massive PR blow like MP's expenses in the UK parliament was. They've obviously been hiding evidence here and that might be enough ... the only MEP I can see who would benefit from trying to bring down the system is Farage, the others are just in it for the safe career in bureaucracy - much as I mistrust his motives and dislike some of his other policies, he is an eloquent speaker and seems to have created a character for himself challenging the top of the EU parliament ... for that I think he's definitely worth speaking to and sounding out with the facts we have seen here.

Cheers

Squeezy

[bill77.017]

So, the EU manipulated one of it's own smoleless-studies with whiteout, because it wasn't "anti-tobaccoey" enough for their liking.

They,ve some neck, haven,t they? How many other reports have been doctored to fit in with their anti-tobacco lies? It,s f**king disgraceful how low they,ll go to spread their poison and deceit.

[Skell18]

They,ve some neck, haven,t they? How many other reports have been doctored to fit in with their anti-tobacco lies? It,s f**king disgraceful how low they,ll go to spread their poison and deceit.

Not just tobacco reports, what about the rest? How can you trust anything they come out with after this?

[bill77.017]

Not just tobacco reports, what about the rest? How can you trust anything they come out with after this?

True, i wouldn,t trust any of them, on any subject, full stop.

[Skell18]

True, i wouldn,t trust any of them, on any subject, full stop.

I have never been pro EU, I know because of the EU you can't buy baby bonjella in Ireland and a host of other things easily available here in the UK, we are forever sending stuff over to friends in Ireland that have been banned by the EU which every other MS ignores lol.