For the attention of Heders and Muddyfunkstar.

[Ansel]

Hi both of you, hope you're okay. Was wondering how you're getting on without the starks?

[heders]

Hey bro! Haha, sadly I'm still on the stark train... no extra starks though, only Thunder Chromes, Nick & Johnny and Onyx right now. I went to a tobacco store which had a very wide selection of snus, so I couldn't resist in buying some N&J and Onyx.

I've stopped using starks right before bed though. I sleep much better when I do that. Also, I use less portions per day and try to wait a while before popping in the next snus (longer with sterks).

[Ansel]

Ah okay cool, good to know - i had a little bit of high blood pressure but it is ok at the moment and i was wondering if nasal snuff would hit harder if i was on a lower strength snus. But... it's tough to come off these Skruf Starks i do like them.

[EricHill78]

Ansel I know this thread wasnt directed towards me ha, but about the nasal snuff, I use a pinch or two while I use 8 mg snus, and usually no snuff when I have a stark. It evens out nicely for me

[Ansel]

Ansel I know this thread wasnt directed towards me ha, but about the nasal snuff, I use a pinch or two while I use 8 mg snus, and usually no snuff when I have a stark. It evens out nicely for me

Cool man, thanks... i will have to get some lower strength snus and give it a shot.

[heders]

Ah okay cool, good to know - i had a little bit of high blood pressure but it is ok at the moment and i was wondering if nasal snuff would hit harder if i was on a lower strength snus. But... it's tough to come off these Skruf Starks i do like them.

It sounds like a good idea to limit your nicotine levels then. I know the feeling with Skruf Starks. I love them. But I can't for anything use starks all day (even though I have some days)... I feel like crap and get messed up. I'm actually thinking seriously about converting to minis, but I hate that you get less then what you pay for... 20 portions of 0,3-0,5 grams of tobacco each for almost the same price as 24 grams and 24 portions. But I do want to limit my nicotine use. I don't feel good using stronger brands. 8 mg's are more than enough.

As I'm writing this I'm having a General Onyx under my lip though... but after these cans are done, I'm thinking of going down to minis, or at least using 8 mg portions exclusively.

One thing I'm also thinking about is cutting my strong portions in half. I did it with a portion of Nick & Johnny yesterday, and it was no difference at all in taste or feel - just a more tolerable nicotine dose.

I think it's better in the long run to have a lower dose of nicotine in your system. It's like drinking 20 cups of coffee a day or 3.

[muddyfunkstar]

Hey Ansel, I'm getting on fine without the starks. I've been using up my remaining couple of cans of Skruf Stark slowly but surely, mainly as a snus to use if I'm out drinking, as the extra nic tends to go down better with a couple of beers.

When I decided to switch I went from starks all day to regulars all day, and while I did find I was using more portions per day, after a week or so it evened out. When I do have the odd stark now I really notice the extra nic. I have one can of Skruf Stark left, and when that's gone I doubt I'll be ordering more any time soon.

As you've probably read elsewhere I've also started using more los as well, but only small pinches of regular strength (about 1 click on an icetool) which seems to equate to about a portion strength-wise, and there's always the option to make bigger prillas if required.

If you're going to do it I wouldn't worry too much, you'll adjust pretty quickly, and probably feel better for it.

[Ansel]

Thanks guys, i think i should go down to 8mgs. Shame we can't get SM products Muddy. I said from the start i eouldn't be on the starks forever and maybe soon is time. But... i've just bought 2 rolls of Skruf Stark portions... :-s

[Ansel]

Hey guays, just a quick update from me: i may well go on the 8s at some point but Skruf Stark is doing more than ok for me again with no problems. The problem before i found was i needed to you know, release my load, without trying to sound crude - but when i did my blood pressure went down... and now Stark snus is great again for me. Thanks for your replies.

[heders]

Hey guays, just a quick update from me: i may well go on the 8s at some point but Skruf Stark is doing more than ok for me again with no problems. The problem before i found was i needed to you know, release my load, without trying to sound crude - but when i did my blood pressure went down... and now Stark snus is great again for me. Thanks for your replies.

That's great!

To update as well, I'm really considering switching down full-time to 8 mg now. I've had one portion of Onyx today, which isn't THAT strong, but the rest of the day (and yesterday), I've only had 8 mg's. They are perfect for me. A strong portion here and there won't hurt anyone, but for daily use, it's a bit too much for me. I chain snus, and I feel really crappy after a day with half a can of starks/extra starks.

Ansel: Have you considered trying Skruf OP (if you haven't already)? I think the taste is the same, but lesser nicotine is always good. I'm snusing Skruf Original White as we speak, and it tastes like a more mellow (due to the white portion I would assume) Skruf Stark. Still good though.

[Ansel]

Cool thanks for the feedback Heders. I think if i went down to 8s i'd be wanting some Swedish Match products ideally. I hope that can happen at some point soon.