I really want to order something new, but...damn shipping sucks.

[nicodude]

Is there a limit on the amount in a bulk order? I'm totally down to be the main recipient, I just might need help with the cost for everybody. I suck at math! Are we gonna factor in the price for the cost of me shipping it out to everybody else as well? Not sure how all this will work.

I ran a few group buys on another forum for electronic parts, its pretty simple really, you can get everyones shipping address and run quotes on usps.com or just have a set price for shipping, say $5 per normal order and $10 for large orders, and have each participant include the price of shipping to them with their payment. No shame in setting a handling fee too so you can get compensated for your time and efforts. Have everyone list what they want in the comment box of the paypal payments and how much each item they want costs, that way you will have a total for each participant before you order, than just add it all up on the calculator to make sure it checks out with the total of the of main order. You may want to add a few extra $$ to the shipping costs to cover the cost of the original shipping price to you.

[Veganpunk]

What about the legality of this ? Where's our official SnusOn lawyer Snusdog at???

[chadizzy1]

There's nothing illegal. You can't say tax evasion because one person is buying it and taxes are being collected and it is being shipped to an age verified seller through PACT approved means.

Now where it comes into play that we need to know the people we ship to is that we need to know the tobacco is going to someone of legal age. That's the only part that we would have trouble with, so we need to make sure it's a buyer that we know and trust. A minimum post count, for example.

USPS is allowed to ship tobacco person to person, so it is totally within the law that we do this. This will ultimately be the most cost effective on cases of large orders, becuase splitting an order and then adding USPS shipping may not save money but cost more, however if 10 people split an order with $30 bucks in shipping, each one pays $3 bucks to cover their part of the UPS, and then throws on $5-$6 bucks to have their individual order shipped to them, they're actually paying about $10 bucks all together for shipping plus the cost of the snus which would get us back to the old GetSnus days where you could buy a 5 can roll for 15 bucks and then have it shipped for another 5 or 6 bucks.

Just noticed this, but SnusCentral has:

"FREE and Discounted SHIPPING Specials for January, 2011!

FREE Shipping on all orders over $299! Use Coupon Code SHIPFREE at Checkout"

It's February now, wish we would have had this idea earlier, we all could have got in an order.

[Snusdog]

What about the legality of this ? Where's our official SnusOn lawyer Snusdog at???

There is a limit to snus that individuals can send in each package..............but if I remember correctly that is per package..........not cumulative.

The problem with letting new folks in on the deal is newbie x makes a pay pal payment for one can.............newbie x makes off with 7 cans. However, I don't think that we should exclude new folks from the deal. Rather, let two new folks in on each order and send them their snus last. With each new order move them up in the line until their reliability is proved. I don't think any body should have a problem with that and it safe guards the idea for everyone.

In the end I really think what we need is some enterprising Swede to buy rolls of snus that Americans cannot get and sell them on the exchange....You can do cans or rolls.............and save on the shipping.

If it were me.........I'd buy two rolls of each brand (los and portions). I'd list it on the exchange and ask pp not to delete it. Here is my mock post

I've got several cans of

Lucky Strikes los/ portions
Gustavus los/portions
LD regular los
Camel portions

Pm me if you are interested

You could then order cans or rolls.............If you wanted a bigger order than my supply I would notify you about the wait.

I would charge cost + a few bucks for my time + Swedish post shipping

I would also try to get a discount from my supplier so even with my mark up the price would be less or equal to what you would pay on line.

For those with a little time to devote to it...............it might be a very lucrative venture

Of course I'm from the South.............so bootlegging is in my veins

[Connavar]

i hear that, my dad did bootlegging for about 10 years back in the 60's here snusdog lol

[Veganpunk]

I would love to get Camel White, and would pay more for it!

[BradenL]

I'm not quite sure I understand, are you guys thinking of ordering a set amount and then just selling it off piecemeal to whoever wants it? You could always do it as such:

1. Designate person who will receive the large package and make them known. I'm guessing from someone in the southern US with over 1,000 posts.

2. Make a new thread stating 'The Snuson US bulk order' and then have the main person's ID on said thread also put the final deadline for paypal payments on said thread

3. People may PM the main person and place an order

4. Main person (or whoever, I can help if necessary, I am a calculus tutor afterall) will compile a tentative list of buyers in an excel spreadsheet

5. Send those who PM'ed a paypal address to send the money to and their total

6. Once the deadline for payments is up those who have been checked off on the spreadsheet for having paid will get their orders ordered and those who did not send in the money will be deleted

7. Actually order the snus

8. Send the snus out to the different individuals who actually bought it

I'm assuming that as long as the order sizes are under a couple of pounds (perhaps 1.5 lbs or .75 kg) then the package won't be confiscated as we are all consenting adults.

We could potentially save a good deal of money for those in a state with high taxes, and save money on shipping since it will be spread multiple ways. Even if the order is between 4-5 people the lack of shipping costs will most likely save $5-$10 each.

If someone's credibility is in question and they put the paypal money in, then there is no problem. I would say that we should definitely have someone who has a lot of posts as the person that the entire package is being shipped to.

[Veganpunk]

Good set up there Braden. Only concern I have is there should be a set time to take money and a cutoff time. If I was the main distributor, I don't want to be resonsible for having a bunch of peeps money, and still be waiting for one more person to pay before the big order is ordered. Also, I think it would be better if we just ordered by the roll. Less confusion that way.

[BradenL]

Veganpunk, I understand that people would order by the roll. The beauty is in the simplicity. Just set a cutoff date and then after that just order for those that have everything in. It really isn't that hard to paypal X amount of dollars within a week's time. If someone misses out, then I'm sure they will have another shot if this actually goes through. I can take care of logistics if you want. If people PM their name, address, and order...then all the information can be worked out rather easily. It seems pretty complicated but I ran my ebay business like this for a summer and once you do it enough, its no problem anymore (:

[Veganpunk]

Well, If we get enough people interested, I'll be down for it.

[jstone138]

Well Im In if this actually goes forth. If anybody locally to me ( So. Cal.) wants to spit an order I have been wanting to get some new stuff. Just p.m me and we can work it out.

[AtreyuKun]

I would love to get Camel White, and would pay more for it!

This!

[Premium Parrots]

I'm not quite sure I understand, are you guys thinking of ordering a set amount and then just selling it off piecemeal to whoever wants it? You could always do it as such:

1. Designate person who will receive the large package and make them known. I'm guessing from someone in the southern US with over 1,000 posts.

2. Make a new thread stating 'The Snuson US bulk order' and then have the main person's ID on said thread also put the final deadline for paypal payments on said thread

3. People may PM the main person and place an order

4. Main person (or whoever, I can help if necessary, I am a calculus tutor afterall) will compile a tentative list of buyers in an excel spreadsheet

5. Send those who PM'ed a paypal address to send the money to and their total

6. Once the deadline for payments is up those who have been checked off on the spreadsheet for having paid will get their orders ordered and those who did not send in the money will be deleted

7. Actually order the snus

8. Send the snus out to the different individuals who actually bought it

I'm assuming that as long as the order sizes are under a couple of pounds (perhaps 1.5 lbs or .75 kg) then the package won't be confiscated as we are all consenting adults.

We could potentially save a good deal of money for those in a state with high taxes, and save money on shipping since it will be spread multiple ways. Even if the order is between 4-5 people the lack of shipping costs will most likely save $5-$10 each.

If someone's credibility is in question and they put the paypal money in, then there is no problem. I would say that we should definitely have someone who has a lot of posts as the person that the entire package is being shipped to.

#9. In the end expect to pay about the same for shipping. First by splitting the original large orders shipping charges plus the shipping to the end user. Which will probably end up being about the same as if you ordered it direct. The only savings might be slight if you live in a high tax state.

[nicodude]

Now where it comes into play that we need to know the people we ship to is that we need to know the tobacco is going to someone of legal age. That's the only part that we would have trouble with, so we need to make sure it's a buyer that we know and trust. A minimum post count, for example.

That doesnt make anything legal, a post count on a forum doesnt prove someone is of legal age, now getting a copy of their license with name and address matching the shipping address for the tobacco would take care of the age verification, even if whoever actually gets the package isnt old enough, at least the shipper is free and clear as the package he shipped was to someone who proved they were of legal age by sending the license copy.

The problem with letting new folks in on the deal is newbie x makes a pay pal payment for one can.............newbie x makes off with 7 cans. However, I don't think that we should exclude new folks from the deal. Rather, let two new folks in on each order and send them their snus last. With each new order move them up in the line until their reliability is proved. I don't think any body should have a problem with that and it safe guards the idea for everyone.

Only way nebie X could make off with 7 cans is if the person managing the order mistakenly ships 7 cans to someone that only paid for 1.

Your idea seems fine though,giving veterans priority and allowing small orders for a limited number of noobs, I see nothing wrong with that.

Im not trying to argue with anyone, just to explain that if this is taken seriously by the person in charge, their is no possible way for that person to get stuck or ripped off.

I am going to get myselft the UPS box, so I wont be interested in participating anyway, I just hope that everyone can work it out so that it is fair for everyone.

[jagmanss]

Good set up there Braden. Only concern I have is there should be a set time to take money and a cutoff time. If I was the main distributor, I don't want to be resonsible for having a bunch of peeps money, and still be waiting for one more person to pay before the big order is ordered. Also, I think it would be better if we just ordered by the roll. Less confusion that way.

If we get enough people interested, I'm down for it. But I don't ever order any one snus by the roll as I don't have room for any 1 snus and always order mixed snus as I use a wide variety and have no use for an entire roll.... Not everyone would want a roll of any one snus .... I would want to try several new ones that just came out along with Thunder Coola let's say.... A whole roll of it would not work for me.... I use no less than 14 different flavors at any time... I'm not tied down to 1 or 2 snus...