2.5 Million Muslims Threaten to Quit Facebook on July 21

[sgreger1]

Our friends from the East are at it again! Today's reason Muslims are pissed off at something that is out of their control is *spins wheel*: Facebook

2.5 Million Muslims Threaten to Quit Facebook on July 21

Most of the fans are allegedly planning to quite Facebook on 21st of July if their demands are not met and join, what looks like a Facebook knockoff, Madina.com, made for a Muslim community

They're demanding that certain pro-Islam pages be brought back to Facebook, and certain anti-Islam pages be taken down? Come on guys, you can't have your falafel and eat it too.


Here's their second demand:

"2- Adding a Facebook Term that illegalizes disrespecting Islamic religious symbols"

Wow. Looks like muslims are in for a rough few years as they fight a losing battle against the entire Internet. Good luck with that.



What do you guys think. Or do you even care?

Personally, I smell a 4chan raid
that site has /b/ written all over it.

And those chartooney women, provoking my lust by not wearing burkas...
I can't wait to see 1.75 million women's profiles that all look like ninjas...
I guess they could cave in and make a ninja version of facebook, but you wouldn't be able to see anyone else's profile. Maybe they could call it Faceburka?

[tom502]

Islam and freedom do not mix. They need their own restricted sharia "facebook", and leave freedom minded civilized peoples alone.

[danielan]

2.5 Million Muslims Threaten to Quit Facebook on July 21

I quit Facebook a couple months ago. So, I kind of support that.

But really, I tire of people and groups who make the "I'll just leave then" type threats.

Pretty much, if you're not happy where you are - then go away - threatening just sounds pathetic and whiny.

Like Clint Eastwood said in Heartbreak Ridge - "Don't go away mad, just go away"

[Big L]

I quit Facebook a couple months ago. So, I kind of support that.

But really, I tire of people and groups who make the "I'll just leave then" type threats.

Pretty much, if you're not happy where you are - then go away - threatening just sounds pathetic and whiny.

Like Clint Eastwood said in Heartbreak Ridge - "Don't go away mad, just go away"

Yep, what Dan just said. No one has a gun to their head, forcing them to look at Facebook. If they don't like it, don't look at it, simple.

IMHO everyone should quit Facebook because it's time-wasting cancer for attention whores, but that's a whole seperate discussion. I don't throw a tantrum and say no one else should use it, I simply don't look at it.

[lxskllr]

I'm sure all the Facebook users are heartbroken. Muslims are so much fun to be around....

[shikitohno]

Islam and freedom do not mix. They need their own restricted sharia "facebook", and leave freedom minded civilized peoples alone.

Tom, your quote just emphasizes our own ignorance of the roots of Western civilization and of Islam. Many, if not most, of the most important books written by Ancient Greek philosophers do not exist any more in the original text. They were destroyed by the Roman Catholic Church because they were deemed heretical, or dangerous to the faith. These include books that form the cornerstone of modern western though, and that had profound impact on science, arts, mathematics, politics and economics. They were only preserved because Muslim scholars translated them, and copies of the text in Arabic were found by Europeans, and translated back into European languages. Western society as it is now exists in great part due to the work of Muslim scholars in past times. Aside from this, as I've said to countless people in real life, you only see the extremists in the news, because Muslims being well behaved and loving freedom doesn't make for a very good news story. It's a man bites dog sort of situation. If you go with Pew Forum estimates for the world's Muslim population, this only represents .15% of the world's Muslim population making these ridiculous demands.

More importantly, you'd be better off generalizing to say religion and freedom (for non-believers) do not mix. The examples for Christianity making similarly ludicrous demands are too many to number. Because it goes against their religion, which I don't follow, they want to make sure I don't have sex outside of marriage, can't buy condoms, can't get my girlfriend birth control, and that she can't get an abortion if she chooses to. These sort of things all make the news, with the Pope decrying condoms as the work of the devil, or extremists bombing abortion clinics. I don't write off all Christians off as freedom hating bigots though, because I realize that this represents the hardliners, and not necessarily the everyday Christian who is just trying to be a good Christian. The same is true of Islam. The doctrines espoused by Wahhabi Muslims in Saudi Arabia or hardline mullahs in Iran do not represent the opinions of every Muslim world wide. Think next time, before you post such ignorant and arrogant statements, and perhaps remember you have Muslims to thank for the ideas that gave rise the Western society you love so much.

Edit: Also, Muslims are freedom hating, but Kim Jong-il isn't? Really, you need to shore up some gaps in these positions. Last I checked, Muslim governments just sent you to prison, but Kim will send you to a "re-education" camp, which may as well be called a gulag or concentration camp.

[tom502]

Maybe, but I'm talking about current days, and level of extremism. You can draw pictures of Jesus in drag all day and no one cares, but draw a picture of Muhammed, and you might get yourself killed. I don't think what you said is wrong, but I don't think what I said is either. Current level of extremism and it's clash with modern social technology and information, is what I was focused on.

[sgreger1]

Tom, your quote just emphasizes our own ignorance of the roots of Western civilization and of Islam. Many, if not most, of the most important books written by Ancient Greek philosophers do not exist any more in the original text. They were destroyed by the Roman Catholic Church because they were deemed heretical, or dangerous to the faith. These include books that form the cornerstone of modern western though, and that had profound impact on science, arts, mathematics, politics and economics. They were only preserved because Muslim scholars translated them, and copies of the text in Arabic were found by Europeans, and translated back into European languages. Western society as it is now exists in great part due to the work of Muslim scholars in past times. Aside from this, as I've said to countless people in real life, you only see the extremists in the news, because Muslims being well behaved and loving freedom doesn't make for a very good news story. It's a man bites dog sort of situation. If you go with Pew Forum estimates for the world's Muslim population, this only represents .15% of the world's Muslim population making these ridiculous demands.

More importantly, you'd be better off generalizing to say religion and freedom (for non-believers) do not mix. The examples for Christianity making similarly ludicrous demands are too many to number. Because it goes against their religion, which I don't follow, they want to make sure I don't have sex outside of marriage, can't buy condoms, can't get my girlfriend birth control, and that she can't get an abortion if she chooses to. These sort of things all make the news, with the Pope decrying condoms as the work of the devil, or extremists bombing abortion clinics. I don't write off all Christians off as freedom hating bigots though, because I realize that this represents the hardliners, and not necessarily the everyday Christian who is just trying to be a good Christian. The same is true of Islam. The doctrines espoused by Wahhabi Muslims in Saudi Arabia or hardline mullahs in Iran do not represent the opinions of every Muslim world wide. Think next time, before you post such ignorant and arrogant statements, and perhaps remember you have Muslims to thank for the ideas that gave rise the Western society you love so much.

Edit: Also, Muslims are freedom hating, but Kim Jong-il isn't? Really, you need to shore up some gaps in these positions. Last I checked, Muslim governments just sent you to prison, but Kim will send you to a "re-education" camp, which may as well be called a gulag or concentration camp.

This is true, the worldwide muslim population is massive and only a few are idiots, like with any large group. Most of the east and a lot of europe are muslim and they seem to do okay. I would also like to add that Muslims are also highly responsible for modern science, as many of the great scientists of the "ancient" days and "middle period" days were middle eastern and most of them were muslims. They were the scientific leaders for a very large part of history, brining new ideas to science and mathematics that up untill then did not exist.

[tom502]

Apart from Iran's scientific and social supremecy, the rest seem kinda backward.

[shikitohno]

I'm saying you also only hear about the bad ones, though. You'll never hear of the calm ones who hear about those Muhammed cartoons and go do something else, like not read that paper. Most Muslims, I don't think they'd really care, they just wouldn't look at that magazine. For the ones who rioted after that cartoon ran, you've got to consider that the cartoon ran in a tiny Danish paper, so most of them probably never saw what was in it. Propaganda makes rational people act silly. And radicalism and extremism go hand in hand with poverty and lack of education. Look at the number of Muslim and Christian terrorist groups in Africa. They're really both about neck and neck with each other on that count. Now look at the number of them in the US. And I mean home grown, not foreigners flying to Detroit with the sole mission of blowing up a plane. You get the odd abortion clinic bombing, every so often you get some Muslims who try to blow up a building. I recall reading the other day, al-Qaeda soldiers get paid about four times as much as soldiers in the Pakistani army. If you're an uneducated Muslim with a family to feed and the family business isn't bringing in enough money, which are you going to be more likely to join?

[tom502]

With all the massive unemployment in the US, I am suprised many have not joined the Al-Qaeda or Taliban.

[truthwolf1]

"I must point out that my rule of life prescribed as an absolutely sacred rite smoking cigars and also the drinking of alcohol before, after, and if need be during all meals and in the intervals between them." — Winston Churchill, said during a lunch with the Arab leader Ibn Saud, when he heard that the king's religion forbade smoking and alcohol.

[Snusdog]

Tom, your quote just emphasizes our own ignorance of the roots of Western civilization and of Islam. Many, if not most, of the most important books written by Ancient Greek philosophers do not exist any more in the original text. They were destroyed by the Roman Catholic Church because they were deemed heretical, or dangerous to the faith. These include books that form the cornerstone of modern western though, and that had profound impact on science, arts, mathematics, politics and economics. They were only preserved because Muslim scholars translated them, and copies of the text in Arabic were found by Europeans, and translated back into European languages.

Not true.

First, the history you are attempting to recount is that of a portion (albeit an important portion) of one man's work-- Aristotle.

The west had some of Aristotle's works including Rhetoric and Poetics (preserved in the Monasteries by the only literate class in the west at the time) but had lost many others including the all important Metaphysics. Metaphysics was rediscovered in the East during the crusades and brought back to the West. It had a profound influence on Aquinas and through him shaped the Enlightenment (a failed venture).

However to claim that the Catholic church destroyed these books is simply not true (they preserved the ones they had) and rediscovered and brought back others that were only known to them through secondary sources. Today we still only have about 1/3 of all that Aristotle wrote (not because Islam or Christians banned them but because they were lost through various incidents of time (e.g. Fire in the library at Alexandria)

We must be careful that we do not seek to expunge one instance of ignorance with another ignorance that is simply more preferable to our own presuppositions. There are plenty of things you can go after the Medieval Church for.................this is not one of them.

[Bluesteak]

Who cares? I wont miss em. IG0F's

[danielan]

I have Muslim friends who are largely better people then me, so clearly, Muslim != Murderous radical.

But, on a global scale, there are a whole lot of Islamic wars and insurrections going on around the world.

AFGHANISTAN
ALGERIA
EYGPT
INDONESIA
INDIA/PAKISTAN
IRAQ
ISRAEL
IRAN
KOSOVO
NIGERIA
RUSSIA
SUDAN
PHILIPPINES

These are places where people are killing one another - there are also other places where there is only, so far, mostly a cultural conflict going on - like France, England, Netherlands, Sweden, Norway, etc.

Doctrine-wise, IMO, there are some parts of sharia law that seem at odds with a western view of freedom to me. https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Sharia