Professor's 13 Keys Predict Obama Will Get Re-Elected

[timholian]

Oh. They did that. White land owners...remember?

Damn, I'm glad I am not the only one that caught onto this being wrong.

Voting Rights Act

The National Voting Rights Act of 1965 (42 U.S.C. § 1973–1973aa-6)[1] outlawed discriminatory voting practices that had been responsible for the widespread disenfranchisement of African Americans in the United States.
[source]

^Just for Dan PMSL

[dxh]

Yeah, our presidents were better back then too.

That depends on who you ask. I tend to agree somewhat. However, I don't think that the founders of this country were without flaw.
They were racists
They did prevent minorities, women, and poor from being heard.
We have made great progress in many ways, but we still have so much to improve.

[sgreger1]

US jobless claims fall as factories stay open

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/j...stay-open.html

Despite a persistently high unemployment rate of 9.5pc, initial US weekly claims for jobless benefits fell to 429,000 in the week ending July 10, down 29,000 from the week before – the lowest level since August 2008.

It was the second straight week that initial claims dropped, in a sign that the American jobs market may be starting to recover.

Yah and two of my family members lost their unemployment checks because the limits were reached, so they no longer count in those numbers. I suspect this has a lot to do with the "claims for jobless benefits dropping" thing.

Everyone agrees we are still stagnant, and many corps are doign better after laying people off so they are not planning on hiring them back.


White House tell skeptics that despite unemploment approaching 10 percent, stimulus spending has created 3 million jobs. But they're jobs in Canada, you wouldn't know them

How can White House claim stimulus "saved or created" 3 million jobs? By rerunning the same economic models that predicted
the stimulus would prevent unemployment from ever rising above 8%

Fed projects weaker growth, higher unemployment...

...Banks repossess homes at record pace; likely to top 1 million in 2010...


The stimulus worked. It's just that the companies it saved and are now making record profits again aren't hiring








The truth of the matter is that our economic policy right now has a long-term viability about as stable as Lindsay Lohans acting career.

[danielan]

We have made great progress in many ways, but we still have so much to improve.

Mostly, IMO, they were realists - but it's hard to judge people properly through the fog of 200+ years.

Women's suffrage is hardly their fault. This was 1776. Women didn't vote - that was just how it was - it doesn't make them evil under the rules they lived by. We weren't last or first to change that. https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikiped...n%27s_suffrage

I can't see how we will improve things too much if our leaders are elected based on populism.

[danielan]

the truth of the matter is that our economic policy right now has a long-term viability about as stable as lindsay lohans acting career.

lol

[dxh]

Mostly, IMO, they were realists - but it's hard to judge people properly through the fog of 200+ years.

Women's suffrage is hardly their fault. This was 1776. Women didn't vote - that was just how it was - it doesn't make them evil under the rules they lived by. We weren't last or first to change that. https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikiped...n%27s_suffrage

I can't see how we will improve things too much if our leaders are elected based on populism.

Indeed, but we can't keep looking to the past for answers. Were talking about a government that was created in these times. Times where what is now evil was not considered evil at all.
Change was needed.

[sgreger1]

Oh and jsut as a shoutout to JudgeFaust:


Authorities in Belarus disperse pillow fight:



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100715/..._fight_rally_2

[danielan]

Damn, I'm glad I am not the only one that caught onto this being wrong.

How is expecting your electorate to actually know something about what they are voting on wrong?

I am completely against poll taxes, land ownership requirements and grandfather requirements. I accept multi-lingual ballots. I'm against voter intimidation and strict registration laws. I think felons should be able to re-earn the right to vote at some point.

I am not racist enough to think that requiring people to pass a simple test (i.e., identify the incumbant) will automatically result in adverse impact to any group but the uninformed.

. https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Voting_Rights_Act .

"No affirmative right to vote

While the title of the Voting Rights Act might imply that it established an explicit right to vote for President for U.S. citizens, there is no such federal right. However, the Voting Rights Act and three constitutional amendments that prevent discrimination in granting the franchise have established in United States Supreme Court jurisprudence that there is a "fundamental right" in the franchise, even though voting remains a state-granted privilege. However, states are given considerable leeway when it comes to this "fundamental right"."

[timholian]

How is expecting your electorate to actually know something about what they are voting on wrong?

I am completely against poll taxes, land ownership requirements and grandfather requirements. I accept multi-lingual ballots. I'm against voter intimidation and strict registration laws. I think felons should be able to re-earn the right to vote at some point.

I am not racist enough to think that requiring people to pass a simple test (i.e., identify the incumbant) will automatically result in adverse impact to any group but the uninformed.


"No affirmative right to vote

While the title of the Voting Rights Act might imply that it established an explicit right to vote for President for U.S. citizens, there is no such federal right. However, the Voting Rights Act and three constitutional amendments that prevent discrimination in granting the franchise have established in United States Supreme Court jurisprudence that there is a "fundamental right" in the franchise, even though voting remains a state-granted privilege. However, states are given considerable leeway when it comes to this "fundamental right"."

I agree that it would be nice to have informed people do the voting but it will not and can not happen. Hell, I wish there was a test for parents but good luck enforcing that.

I was just giving you shit from when I said that if you defect you should only take the clothes on your back.

BTW.... we are not a Democracy.... we are a Democratic Republic.... Its not one man one vote.... its vote and let the Electoral College figure out if they will go with your vote or not. (Yes, I know its not that cut and dry but its it in a nutshell.

[Joe234]

Joe, Serious ?.

Do you just carry over your 'talking points' from another political forum discussion site and spew them about on here or do you actually come up with this shit yourself?

/k thanX

How was I supposed to come up with this myself? Conduct my own research and do surveys before I give
any information?

[Joe234]

I think he is continuing the trend to ruin our country, but to be fair this has been a long time coming. National debt started to soar in the early 80s and never looked back.

Under Clinton the National Debt was the closest to being paid off.

[Joe234]

I don't think that is fair. I think people wanted to believe him. People wanted to end the wars. People wanted healthcare reform.
To call them(me included) fools is quite elitist.

He's only been in offeice 18 months. The naysayers were saying this the day he took office.

[dxh]

Under Clinton the National Debt was the closest to being paid off.

I don't dislike Clinton, but I don't think that is correct:





But then there is this:


Not sure which on is accurate

[sgreger1]

Under Clinton the National Debt was the closest to being paid off.

It was, but not because of his policies. Like Obama inherited a recession, Clinton inherited a booming 90's economy. Between the tech boom and the start of the housing bubble, money was coming in a lot faster than it has since then.




So yes, much better than Bush or Obama, but again not because he was a super fiscall genious either.

Over the past 25 years, the government has gotten used to the fact that Social Security is providing free money to make the rest of the deficit look smaller.

In fact, this most likely was not even a conscious decision by Clinton. The Social Security Administration is legally required to take all its surpluses and buy U.S. Government securities, and the U.S. Government readily sells those securities--which automatically and immediately becomes intragovernmental holdings. The economy was doing well due to the dot-com bubble and people were earning a lot of money and paying a lot into Social Security. Since Social Security had more money coming in than it had to pay in benefits to retired persons, all that extra money was immediately used to buy U.S. Government securities. The government was still running deficits, but since there was so much money coming from excess Social Security contributions there was no need to borrow more money directly from the public. As such, the public debt went down while intragovernmental holdings continued to skyrocket.

[sgreger1]

He's only been in offeice 18 months. The naysayers were saying this the day he took office.

Probably because he got elected on the PROMISE that in his first year (roughly) he would:

shut down gitmo
end the war in Iraq and withdrawl all troops

and he also claimed that by the end of his first term he would cut the deficit in half.


How is all that going?