Tea Time: FOX Racist Liars - Bush Pardoned New Black Panthers

[sgreger1]

I have a question....

When does it stop being "Free Speech"?

Oh, and if this new Black Panther guy would like, I would be more than willing to let him try his hand at coming on down to Texas and spout that kind of trash.

In most states, it remains free speech, even if it is hate speech against a protected group (such as race). This depends on exactly what is being said. You can openly say I hate black people but you can't try to incite violence, as that violates other laws. These guys were not in trouble for just saying "hey, elect the black guy, **** white people", (personally I think that is completely okay due to the 1st ammendment), but they were intimidating people, shouting racial slurs to try and scare people, and wielding weapons which they were displaying in an aggressive manner. So it's not what they were saying that got them in trobule as much the fact they were intimidating people at a voting area which is against several laws.


I think the nation needs to calm down. We have nearly 400 million people here and we can't dictate what aynone is going to say because that won't work. Some people feel hatred inside and want to say they hate someone else. That is their right and I don't care what they say or do as long as it does not infringe on my rights. If I go somewhere and people are saying "vote for Obama, don't let whitey hold yet another term in office", that's completely okay. If someone is standing there witha billy club yelling and scarring me from voting, or threatening to beat me if I don't vote for Obama, than that's another story.





I do love how people get on Ron Paul because the KKK donated money to his campaign once, yet Senator Byrd who was a top clansmen or Barack Obama who is supported by the black panthers and attended a racist radical church for 20 years get a free pass for some reason. Let's keep it real guys.

[danielan]

When does it stop being "Free Speech"?

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Fighting_words

Although, I can't imagine too many jurisdictions want to invite a 1st amendment lawsuit - even if they think they would ultimately win.

[timholian]

I will put rhetorical before any rhetorical questions from now on. I do have at least a grasp on how far the first amendment goes, I was kind of responding to the new black panther guy who was saying they should kill white babies. Inciting violence seems to be a definite line in the sand.

EDIT: PS. I do know how to use google and other search engines for future reference.

[danielan]

I will put rhetorical before any rhetorical questions from now on. I do have at least a grasp on how far the first amendment goes, I was kind of responding to the new black panther guy who was saying they should kill white babies. Inciting violence seems to be a definite line in the sand.

EDIT: PS. I do know how to use google and other search engines for future reference.

Same source:

In Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969), the Court reversed the conviction of a Ku Klux Klan leader accused of advocating violence against racial minorities and the national government, holding that government cannot constitutionally prohibit advocacy of the use of force or of law violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action.

While it is distasteful, it's probably not illegal. At least under that precedent. Unless, legitimately, it could be thought that the audience would actually go kill white babies upon hearing the uttered words.

[truthwolf1]

I would like to see more on the the link to the Obama admin and if there is truth to not investigating white victims

[timholian]

While it is distasteful, it's probably not illegal. At least under that precedent. Unless, legitimately, it could be thought that the audience would actually go kill white babies upon hearing the uttered words.

While true, this is a case of "He is lucky no one actually did the things he said he wanted them to do.".

[sgreger1]

While true, this is a case of "He is lucky no one actually did the things he said he wanted them to do.".

Danielan, while that precedent is true, the only way I could see them getting it trouble for saying "kill white babies" is if shortly after some white babies were killed. Without someone taking the action, it would be hard to prove that those words would have caused the killing of babies since no babies were killed. There are white clansmen and there are blakc clansmen, both sides are fighting for what they percieve to be their "culture" and their "dominance" and both are idiots. I just imagine if the KK were out at polling places there would be a bigger fuss than there is here.


@Truthwolf: I don't know that Obama had anything to do with this. he's been pretty good about realizing that he shouldn't get within 20 feet of anything having to do with race so far (except for the "stupidyly" acting cop thing). Most likely this is just the DOJ dropping it, as they probably would have odne under Bush as well. (I believe that was the reccommendation from the start, which is why some are saying the bush admin dropped it. But really this has nothing to do with the admin and more to do with the DOJ (which fox refers to as The Obama Justice Department, as though he personally selected them).

[danielan]

Danielan, while that precedent is true, the only way I could see them getting it trouble for saying "kill white babies" is if shortly after some white babies were killed. Without someone taking the action, it would be hard to prove that those words would have caused the killing of babies since no babies were killed.

I think you could make a situation that didn't actually require baby killing. Maybe if the crowd was violent already and not busy shopping and being embarrassed.

Or if he had said, "Kill _that_ white baby". But that would probably qualify as assault.

[timholian]

I think you could make a situation that didn't actually require baby killing. Maybe if the crowd was violent already and not busy shopping and being embarrassed.

Or if he had said, "Kill _that_ white baby". But that would probably qualify as assault.

Good point, but my invite still stands.

[Joe234]

Joe, I hear your arguments and at least you are trying to back them up with links and whatenot, but stop defending racist klansmen man. Not cool.

When did I defend racist Klansmen? Can you remind me?

[Joe234]

I think you could make a situation that didn't actually require baby killing. Maybe if the crowd was violent already and not busy shopping and being embarrassed.

Or if he had said, "Kill _that_ white baby". But that would probably qualify as assault.

The baby killing thing was not said at the polls. It was said at an event elsewhere by one
of their people. It was not their leader. Many of them have the name Shabazz.

Fox News whipped this up from nothing. Roland Martin on CNN said today that,
"Fox News has given more time to The New Black Panther Party that they have received in the last 10 years."

[StuKlu]

When did I defend racist Klansmen? Can you remind me?

You defended racist New Black Panthers.

[StuKlu]

The baby killing thing was not said at the polls. It was said at an event elsewhere by one
of their people. It was not their leader. Many of them have the name Shabazz.

Fox News whipped this up from nothing. Roland Martin on CNN said today that,
"Fox News has given more time to The New Black Panther Party that they have received in the last 10 years."

It was said by one of the guys at the polling place in Philadelphia. Not at the polling place but at another location. The point was, that these guys intimidating voters are bad racist dudes and should never have been let go with a slap of the wrist. And their leader Shabazz is also a racist, it is a racist organization. Is there actually some doubt about that?

[Joe234]

You defended racist New Black Panthers.

No I did not bozo! I only tried to cut through the lies of Fix News.
There is a difference in defending someone and getting the facts
correct.

Some of you outright defend the racist Pea Party.

[Joe234]

Don't call me Bozo you ****ing douche. The Tea Party is not racist and you're an asshole.

At least I'm not a dunce like you. Or use derogatory high school curse words, like some
do, when they have no argument.

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