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[sgreger1]

What makes you think that Mr. bin Laden actually had anything to do with 9-11? Where is your proof? Sure, Little Bush told you that he was responsible... but he also told you that Iraq had enough WMDs to destroy the world several times over. Why do you believe this assertion? As a lawyer, I want to see proof before I sign on to this propaganda.

Maybe had something to do with bin Laden constantly releasing tapes talking about how he did it and calling for more Jihad. Just taking a wild guess.

[Premium Parrots]

why do you ppl continue to reply to Fausts spewing?
he twists his words solely to get a reaction.

[tom502]

Bin Laden may have been/be an agent of the Clinton era. Little Bush has said so, but so has stick Obama. Who continues to expand the forces abroad.

I was just happy to see Iran's new missle this morning.

[sgreger1]

Bin Laden may have been/be an agent of the Clinton era. Little Bush has said so, but so has stick Obama. Who continues to expand the forces abroad.

I was just happy to see Iran's new missle this morning.

Well since this week it came out that Iran has in fact been working on assembling nukes since at least 2007, and that they have been lying all this time... Why would you be happy to see their new missile?

[tom502]

The US maintains world bully supremecy because of it's stockpiles of nukes and wmds, and with it penchant to invade and attack other nations, and use these weapons, it actually creates a more balanced peace when all nations are well armed. We were so quick to attack Iraq and destroy that nation, and the 1000's of US troops, but if Iraq had a weapon deterrant, I think we would have given it more thought. We only attacked them because we thought out weapon supremecy could defeat them, like a high school bully punching a grade school girl. If they did have good weapons, like missles or nukes, we would not have been so gung ho to go beat up a girl.

[sgreger1]

The US maintains world bully supremecy because of it's stockpiles of nukes and wmds, and with it penchant to invade and attack other nations, and use these weapons, it actually creates a more balanced peace when all nations are well armed. We were so quick to attack Iraq and destroy that nation, and the 1000's of US troops, but if Iraq had a weapon deterrant, I think we would have given it more thought. We only attacked them because we thought out weapon supremecy could defeat them, like a high school bully punching a grade school girl. If they did have good weapons, like missles or nukes, we would not have been so gung ho to go beat up a girl.

Umm, we went in thinking they had WMD's, right?

Your right in a sense. The MAD thoery works well in practice, everyone is afraid of nuking each other in case they get nuked back.

However, what worries me is that Iran did it in secret and denied the whole thing for years. then they make claims they will wipe israel off the map etc. I'm afraid they would actually use it since it may be seen as jihad. The mutually assured destruction concept doesn't work well with people who are willing to die for the cause.


Then again Iran has a lot to lose, they aren't just some backwater country. So it may work.

I really, really wish Obama and the US in general would focus more on missile defense systems. The is the key to being safe, not offensive operations or pre-emptive strikes.

Luckily, the US this week is about to simulate an attack from Iran in wargames. At the mere price of only 170 million$.

[tom502]

I think the powers that be knew they did not have WMDs, but said that to get everyone gung ho. If they did, and had quality missles, that could flattened Israel, I don't think we would have invaded them. I think Iran is smart, and has learned from Iraq. I don't think Iran is suicidal, and will not attack another nation with no provacation.

[sgreger1]

I think the powers that be knew they did not have WMDs, but said that to get everyone gung ho. If they did, and had quality missles, that could flattened Israel, I don't think we would have invaded them. I think Iran is smart, and has learned from Iraq. I don't think Iran is suicidal, and will not attack another nation with no provacation.

Hopefully you are correct. In the end, all we can do is have a strong missile defense system. If we can stop ICBM's or other long range missiles from reaching any American cities, we are pretty much invincible. It's expensive to get a navy over here and any jets you get here are going to have a limited amount of time on station due to fuel constraints.

[sgreger1]

I think if we focused more on defense, we save a lot of THIS money:

[Judge Faust]

I think if these people love Islam so much, and their tolerance and welcomeness, they should go to live in Afganistan, and open a godless Communist HQ, so the Taliban will welcome them.

Once again, you come through with a very ignorant take on reality. So, Muslims should go and live in traditionally Muslim nations? Nowhere else? Does this mean that the Imperial Christians should also pack their bags and go back to Europe? Or is it a double-standard? I am confused by your logic (or lack thereof).

[Judge Faust]

Why do you guys keep encouraging this pathetic douchebag? He is just pushing your buttons to get attention.

If you want to argue with him, lead him down the garden path toward getting Homeland Security and the FBI interested. He is already close enough.

Kevin

why do you ppl continue to reply to Fausts spewing?
he twists his words solely to get a reaction.

Guys - here is a clue: if you do not wish to participate in an intellectual discussions, you have plenty of other threads to spam upon. Let us adults have our fun.

This is especially true for you, PP. So far, you have contributed nothing to this thread but asinine and juvenile commentary. Even on this forum, I would expect more from a moderator.

PS: to Outsidelinebacker - "already close enough?" You seek to scare ME with the law?!? I'll have you know that I understand my rights and liabilities very well. I'll also have you know that I am not engaged in incitement to violence, hate speech, malicious libel, or child pornography. As such, my opinions fall squarely under the umbrella of the First Amendment to the US Constitution. Moreover, they qualify as pure speech - the most protected category. I am quite safe; thank you for your concern, though. Now, go scare someone moronic enough to believe you, my idiotic friend.

[Judge Faust]

What makes you think that Mr. bin Laden actually had anything to do with 9-11? Where is your proof? Sure, Little Bush told you that he was responsible... but he also told you that Iraq had enough WMDs to destroy the world several times over. Why do you believe this assertion? As a lawyer, I want to see proof before I sign on to this propaganda.

Maybe had something to do with bin Laden constantly releasing tapes talking about how he did it and calling for more Jihad. Just taking a wild guess.

Well then, I must be out of the loop. How embarrassing. For the sake of my education, would you mind linking at least a couple videos in which Mr. bin Laden explicitly claims responsibility for the acts in question? If those are not forthcoming, can I please get a cite or two to definitive evidence linking the man to the act?

[Judge Faust]

I think the powers that be knew they did not have WMDs, but said that to get everyone gung ho. If they did, and had quality missles, that could flattened Israel, I don't think we would have invaded them. I think Iran is smart, and has learned from Iraq. I don't think Iran is suicidal, and will not attack another nation with no provacation.

Hopefully you are correct. In the end, all we can do is have a strong missile defense system. If we can stop ICBM's or other long range missiles from reaching any American cities, we are pretty much invincible. It's expensive to get a navy over here and any jets you get here are going to have a limited amount of time on station due to fuel constraints.

I do not agree...

First of all, your current "strong missile defense system" has failed quite a few tests, making it not so "strong."

Even disregarding this fact, this thinking is outdated. The current Russian ICBM goes into space, breaks apart, and drops a dozen nukes on a dozen different cities. You may or may not be able to intercept missiles; you have zero ability to intercept gravity-fed terminal-velocity bombs. Everyone dies.

Navies are worth absolutely nothing these days. What you want are submarines - and every Soviet submarine is well-equipped to nuke you into oblivion. As are yours. The point being - no one can presently counter a submarine-based ICBM.

Fuel constraints? Really? The Japanese Kamikaze pilots had no such concerns. Every nation can find a person willing and able to sacrifice himself for such a cause. All you need is a radar-silent jet... And guess what? We Russians make and sell a lot of those...

[tom502]

Russia's supremecy is all due to the greatness of Koba.

[lobstershack]

I do not agree...

First of all, your current "strong missile defense system" has failed quite a few tests, making it not so "strong."

Even disregarding this fact, this thinking is outdated. The current Russian ICBM goes into space, breaks apart, and drops a dozen nukes on a dozen different cities. You may or may not be able to intercept missiles; you have zero ability to intercept gravity-fed terminal-velocity bombs. Everyone dies.

Navies are worth absolutely nothing these days. What you want are submarines - and every Soviet submarine is well-equipped to nuke you into oblivion. As are yours. The point being - no one can presently counter a submarine-based ICBM.

Fuel constraints? Really? The Japanese Kamikaze pilots had no such concerns. Every nation can find a person willing and able to sacrifice himself for such a cause. All you need is a radar-silent jet... And guess what? We Russians make and sell a lot of those...

Where's your point here? The threat of nuclear war is such a massive one that any country with even slightly sane leadership knows not to even consider it. Even if you obliterated a country, the massive amount of fallout spread by global weather patterns would probably piss off many more countries, even entire continents. It's a no-win situation.

People don't bring grenades to knife-fights unless they want to get themselves killed as well.