Anne Pressly murderer gets LIFE?!

[Premium Parrots]

yea. there is a reason they never show her profile. Shes no babe thats for sure. I only watch her show for the information. But you have to read between the lines of her exagerations.

That Jane Valez Mitchell is a pretty hot tho.

[texasmade]

Good news: He will probably get shanked before he dies of natural causes = justice in the end

now when you say shanked....do you mean the special rapists shanked or oh my god im bleeding shanked(although bleeding is possible from both)

[sgreger1]

Good news: He will probably get shanked before he dies of natural causes = justice in the end

now when you say shanked....do you mean the special rapists shanked or oh my god im bleeding shanked(although bleeding is possible from both)

Round here, we do it both ways :wink:

[chadizzy1]

From friends who have been through, rapists and child/wife abusers get "first treatment" and "extra special treatment".

[shikitohno]

I just don't support the death penalty because it's been demonstrated repeatedly to be an ineffective deterrent. People at universities have done quite a bit of research into the issue, and it's been shown time and again, educating the guy and giving him skills tend to be more cost effective than just killing him or having him sit in a cell for years. Of course, some people aren't going to be able to come out. You probably shouldn't let Charlie Manson out, no matter what job skills he acquires, 'cause he's nuts. Still, this would require people to think reasonably and put aside the highly-charged emotions involved in the issue, so I doubt it'll ever be implemented in the US.

[Skimo]

I just don't support the death penalty because it's been demonstrated repeatedly to be an ineffective deterrent. People at universities have done quite a bit of research into the issue, and it's been shown time and again, educating the guy and giving him skills tend to be more cost effective than just killing him or having him sit in a cell for years. Of course, some people aren't going to be able to come out. You probably shouldn't let Charlie Manson out, no matter what job skills he acquires, 'cause he's nuts. Still, this would require people to think reasonably and put aside the highly-charged emotions involved in the issue, so I doubt it'll ever be implemented in the US.

Maybe because it's only used on 0.06% of murderers.

less than one percent of the murderers get the death penalty... how is that scary?!
You will see more effectiveness if you start stringing up the rapists and murderers

Manson is the luckiest incarcerated murderer ever... just barely beat the death penalty.

What won't be supported in the U.S.A. ? the death penalty?

I support Texans rights to an express lane for the death penalty.

Bringing up the possiblity of a false conviction is well and good, but what is the justice system for if NOT for the victims!?

Crap happens, people die, but in 2008 over 15,000 people were murdered in the U.S. if there were one murderer per victim that would make only 90
death penalties.

what's the ratio of false convictions for the death penalty?

[shikitohno]

@Skimo: You demonstrate my point quite well about being unable to separate yourself from the emotional side of it, and misunderstand completely. For example, Somalia and Iraq both use capital punishment with no qualms. They still have a much higher murder rate than the US. It has been demonstrated that killing someone for murder doesn't deter others from committing it. Life in prison or the death penalty both cost substantially more per inmate than educating them and then having them come out and get a job. The person is then contributing taxes, and cost less to take care of while they're incarcerated. They're also less likely to commit another crime.

You ever notice that almost every EU country has a lower murder rate than the US does? None of them have the death penalty, per EU law. Still, you're going to rant about how they deserve to be punished, while still complaining about how high your taxes are. It's called logic, people. The sheer lack of logic in the general populace is why the US is doomed. Too many people who can't think critically for five bloody seconds, or be bothered to read any sort of studies, yet somehow are allowed to vote.

Also, the criminal justice system is for the victims. The trial is where they get their grievances redressed. That's not what the corrections system is for. Correctional facilities (read: prisons) are for helping the individuals who've committed crimes correct their ways, and to prevent them from committing further crimes. Education is a cost effective, proven deterrent, which keeps people from committing crimes again. The recidivism rate for the US (the percentage of people who get out of prison and commit crimes again) is 60%. That means that 60% of the people in prison aren't first time offenders. For the most part, you're not trying to convince other people who haven't been imprisoned yet not to commit crimes, you're dealing with people who've already been there. Remove the need for them to turn to crime, where they can make a reasonable living wage without needing to sell drugs, or rob banks and stores, and the number will go down.

No, it's not going to make the murder rate magically drop to 0. But still, only 3 out of the 27 E.U. states have a murder rate higher than the US, Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia. The next nation closest to the US rate is Romania, which still only has less than half our rate. I think that's quite a bit preferable to what we've got going on here. Again, Americans can't seem to think long enough about something without it becoming an emotional battle, nothing will be done to improve the situation until it's too late.

[tom502]

I don't think the EU can be compared with the US. In regards to crime, murder, or health care, and the reason is the people are different, we have a different culture and different history and influx of differing cultures and media influence. I mean we have this crime-love thug no snitch element that is lived and practiced and glorified in rap, that actually has a negative imput on the mentality of many blacks, and the ones that verbally see this and criticise it are too often attack and called sell outs, and then we have the large drug lord gang problems from the south of the border, and then we have the low class trailor park meth element. In short, and I know it may sound bad, and it's only my opinion based on my limited observations, but overall speaking, I think the US has a lower sense of self culture than the European nations. And it's just so different, I don't think it can be really compared. I wonder how much murder and crime goes on in Iran? China? I favor the death penalty if there is no question, and it's done within 30 days. Not so much as a deterant, I think hard labor camp would be more a deterent, but our heavy PC nation would not allow that, but the idea to me, is to remove these people from our realm that are so unable to function in it, that have done horrible things to negate their right to be here.

[shikitohno]

I think they can very much be compared. Remember the riots in France a couple years ago? Those were started and carried out by immigrants who share the same sort of mentality. There's a lot of distrust between Europeans and immigrants, particularly ones from North Africa. It's not as if Europe doesn't have drugs, rap, or organized crime. And if rap made you into a criminal, than I should be out shooting someone right now, because I like some rap groups. The US and Europe both have extremely marginalized groups of poor people. Immigrants have a pretty hard time in a lot of those countries, and among those from the Maghreb, there's very much an attitude that the police are their enemies. The difference between the US and the EU is how we treat criminals in jail.

And Europe's got the same sort of problem we have to the south, only for them it's to the East. Look at Central Asia. It's full of terrorism, militant governments, and all sorts of problems. Allegedly, Iran and China agree with you, and have lower homicide rates than the US, but I would somewhat doubt their statistics. Also, in Iran's case, you have to consider if terrorist incidents are counted in that as well, or as a separate category (I don't know myself). It's a lot more similar than you might think, the only thing that really changes is which group makes up the marginalized lower-class.

[tom502]

I think if we had public whippings and hard labor camps, we could do away with the death penalty, and punishment would then be a deterrent.

[sgreger1]

I just don't support the death penalty because it's been demonstrated repeatedly to be an ineffective deterrent. People at universities have done quite a bit of research into the issue, and it's been shown time and again, educating the guy and giving him skills tend to be more cost effective than just killing him or having him sit in a cell for years. Of course, some people aren't going to be able to come out. You probably shouldn't let Charlie Manson out, no matter what job skills he acquires, 'cause he's nuts. Still, this would require people to think reasonably and put aside the highly-charged emotions involved in the issue, so I doubt it'll ever be implemented in the US.

Using something as a deterrent only goes so far. There will always be bad people in the world, regardless of how effective the deterrent in place may/may not be. If they rape little girls or murder people, they should be publicly executed so the entire city knows that we don't play that shit.

That would set kids straight from a young age. But there will always be bad people.

Like skimo said, only a very small percentage of those who really deserve the death penalty actually recieve it.

If someone kills 20 people and makes masks and lamp shades out of their skin, I don't believe there is any type of rehibilitation they can go through to cure them. None of this, "let's forget the past" shit, strap his ass to a board and let the victim's family watch him die.

[tom502]

I think the reason crime is not deterred, is because it's always put away, out of site, and the "punishment" is just containment, which often means laying about, playing cards, and watching TV. If these criminals really got punishment, and it was public, like public caning, and then hard labor camp, I think it would deter, but any Joe criminal knows if he robs a store, he'll just get some time, and sometimes not even that. And if one does get death, they are just locked up somewhere for a very long time, so the deterrent aspect of it get's put out of anyone's mind. If they were quickly publicly executed, I think would be a deterrent, it would show, we as a society do not tolerate such actions and this is what happens, if you do something so bad to warrant such.

The prisons are filled, far off somewhere, out of sight out of mind. Death row takes 20 years or so, gangs, drugs, sex, games, TV, even conjugal visits, and the inmates even get paid by the state. It just seems it's not even designed to be a deterrent. I am sure money/business is the goal here.

[sgreger1]

It is more of a business than anything. youa re right, most criminals don't trip about spending a year or two in jail, it's easier than on the streets half the time too depending on where you are from.


I believe labor camps would be the best idea because we could get usefull (@ free) labor out of it, but of course that would not work in reality because it will be seen as big government interning civilians in labor/concentration camps. They will ge tthe connotation of being gulags after a while and the plan would never stick.

[texasmade]

If they rape little girls or murder people, they should be publicly executed so the entire city knows that we don't play that shit.

i say publicly rape them in the ass with a 20" double sided dildo...no lube...THAT would set an example

[CM]

I don't think the EU can be compared with the US. In regards to crime, murder, or health care, and the reason is the people are different, we have a different culture and different history and influx of differing cultures and media influence. I mean we have this crime-love thug no snitch element that is lived and practiced and glorified in rap, that actually has a negative imput on the mentality of many blacks, and the ones that verbally see this and criticise it are too often attack and called sell outs, and then we have the large drug lord gang problems from the south of the border, and then we have the low class trailor park meth element. In short, and I know it may sound bad, and it's only my opinion based on my limited observations, but overall speaking, I think the US has a lower sense of self culture than the European nations. And it's just so different, I don't think it can be really compared. I wonder how much murder and crime goes on in Iran? China? I favor the death penalty if there is no question, and it's done within 30 days. Not so much as a deterant, I think hard labor camp would be more a deterent, but our heavy PC nation would not allow that, but the idea to me, is to remove these people from our realm that are so unable to function in it, that have done horrible things to negate their right to be here.

EU is kinda pussy in the court, in Finland you can easily get only 2 years from murder. o_O Max. is 12years I guess, and the sells are luxury, own kitchen, bed, shower and so on.


But I like the idea of labor camps, I mean they've done a crime and now they've lost the right to use those laws and live freely, but if they would been putted to camps like that, there cant be no corruption or many innocent would suffer.