Hi Level Nicotine Snus and Effects

[Grim]

OK, I know this is weird but i did some searching and this actually happens.

I was watching a re-run of CSI the other day and they had a case of a man who died in a typical mysterious way.

His skin had a yellowish tint to it and they were wondering what caused it.

Grissom then went to the coroners office and viewed the body.

He asked if he could look under the apron and was aloowed to.

He noted the deceaseds testicles were extremly small and non-decending.

It was determined he had used quite a bit of nicotine for some time and thats what caused that and was in no part the cause of his death.

Also in another CSI someone was posioned with nicotine.

All of these actually occur in real life.

I forget the name of the condition in the first situation but in the other nicotine is actually more deadly than cyonide in pure form.

One drop of pure nicotine can kill 3 adults.

My only question is what are the added health risks of these exceedingly high nic levels coming out.

I have a feeling that SM and Skruf are gonna be pushing the envelope on the nic levels to claim the highest nic levels you can buy.

At what point do we the consumers have to worry that we are like an experiment to see how high they can take it.

Just a little worried about this nic threshold.

Im not a genius and never cared much for science in college but anyone with any info on the possibilities of harmful effects of increased nicotine would well appreciated.

[StarWing]

As I recall, the threshold for Nicotine (at one dose, at the same time) is 60 MG or more. Just don't poke 4 pouches of General Extra Sterk in your mouth at once. :wink:

Thanks for posting ... now I know why my testicles vanished. ops:

[Premium Parrots]

As I recall, the threshold for Nicotine (at one dose, at the same time) is 60 MG or more. Just don't poke 4 pouches of General Extra Sterk in your mouth at once. :wink:

Thanks for posting ... now I know why my testicles vanished. ops:

Yea mine are gone too. My wife made a purse out of them years ago. :P

[RobME]

Re: Hi Level Nicotine Snus and Effects

I have a feeling that SM and Skruf are gonna be pushing the envelope on the nic levels to claim the highest nic levels you can buy.

Just a little worried about this nic threshold.

Whatever is sold to the general public... doesn't mean you, have to buy it.

You've experience, and intelligence as well. You, more than anyone else, know yourself. Be gentle with yourself. Stay within your limits, your comfort zone... and you'll be fine.

Why worry?

[Starcadia]

Yea mine are gone too. My wife made a purse out of them years ago. :P

Ah, so that's why Nick & Johnny East smells the way it does. :lol:

[Grim]

Well for me my nicotine threshold hasnt been established yet.

Ive yet to have that head spinning effect with snus.

Now i have had panic attacks which i believe were nicotine induced from double pouching General Onyx and even reg portions or having too much snus back to back to back on drunkin nights.

Oh and I didnt think about what the reactions to the testicle shirnkage part of that would be.


Just a funny fact. :lol:

[RobME]

Well... I have the advantage in years over you or maybe, that's a disadvantage. But, whatever the case, I no longer test my own thresholds - I just seek to satisfy my cravings. If there's a lesson in there somewhere... I'll leave it to you to figure out.

[snusjus]

Anything can be deadly in excess; recently, a person died during a radio competition for drinking too much water (3 gallons in less than an hour). As well, you can die from having an over-abundance of oxygen. Nicotine, like all chemicals, will kill you in excess.

[Tankeryanker]

Bet you can't die from too much sex.

[Zero]

CSI is a television program. Things on TV are not real - it's a fictional story and, further, TV programs are often soapboxes or handles on public opinion. Tell me that Jack Bauer hasn't made torture a bit more acceptable to the public, for example, and I'll eat my hat.

Nicotine can be toxic, this much is true, but only at absurd dosages compared to what you get in snus. Poisoning would have to be deliberate.

It stimulates receptors in your brain, and anything which does that can have toxic effects, even things we need as essential. Nicotine overdose happens when there is so much nicotine in your blood that it interferes with your autonomic nervous system and muscular control. Long before it killed you, you would be suffering from nausea, vomiting, severe dizziness, abdominal pain, pallor, heart arrhythmias, etc. It's not like one day you would just pop in a portion, feeling fine as always, and suddenly keel over.

The body is capable of dealing with a bit of nicotine just fine. It occurs naturally in the nightshade family (potatoes, tomatoes, aubergines/eggplant, capsicums/peppers, etc), so it's even in most of our diets. Like anything, moderation is important.

Also, if you need proof, I submit the legendary man known only as "Anders" as our 'canary' of sorts. If he's still living, then none of us has a thing to worry about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsEl9DLvI5A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkvEOZqS33Q


^ documentary evidence of human tolerance :lol:

[holnrew]

What about in the film "Thank You For Smoking" where he gets loads of nicotine patches on him and nearly dies, they say he can't have any nicotine again or he might die, is that phoney too?

[Zero]

I haven't seen the film, but it would have to have been a LOT of patches. If you covered large parts of your body with them then, yeah, it could probably reach toxic doses. The point was more that television and film tend to dramatize reality. There's an element of truth in it, but it is often exaggerated.

If this guy's not dead, we don't have to worry - how's that?





The really important thing about any toxic response is the peak concentration in the bloodstream. Imagine, for example, if you had a shot of vodka every day for a month. This is not anywhere near as bad as if you had those thirty shots one after another. The degree to which the toxicity is sensitive to dose is generally called the dose-response curve. Something like water has a very weak response curve - you really have to drink a TON of water to start getting toxic effects from flushing the nutrients out of your system. Alcohol is an example of something with a much stronger curve - an ounce is not a problem, but a litre would put you near death.

Nicotine is similar. An average dose delivered through snus is, as far as I can tell, generally safe. At least it's not as bad as that ounce of alcohol, let's say. If you had the whole tin, though, like our friend up top here, then no doubt you would at least experience some unpleasant side-effects and wolud definitely have signs of toxicity. This would be like drinking the whole bottle of vodka - although one shot at a time can make for a nice evening, the whole bottle puts you in hospital.

The point, I suppose, is that you have to listen to your own body. For people who are not tobacco users, their sensitivity is much higher. That's how a single portion can make a non-snuser dizzy and queasy - it's an effect of toxicity. The natural response, though, is one which realises the nicotine is too much and the reflex is to simply take the portion out before it gets worse. For us snusers, though, I think we generally know our tolerance pretty well, so it never really gets to that point where we start bumping up against the body's limit.

Nicotine toxicity isn't an inconspicuous thing that can do damage in the background while nobody is noticing. The real danger is interference with your autonomic systems - blocking or altering signals that make your involuntary bodily systems work. The effects cause pronounced somatic (physical) symptoms that you can't help but notice. If you were being poisoned by nicotine, you would know it.

[chainsnuser]

No need to worry, Grim, and just as Zero has already pointed out: in case you snus too much, you'll get overwhelmed by the impulse to spit the prilla out LONG before the nicotine-level gets anywhere near being poisonous. It happened to me three times when I was new to snus and that after I had been chainsmoking for many years without noticing much of the nicotine.

BTW, that's why I always say to those who want to kick the cigarettes, that they should not stress too much about it, but they should do it while snus still gives such a kick, the sooner the better.

Cheers!

[CanadianSnus]

I've been double-bagging 17 mg General Original, the one sold in Canada, for several months now as one 17 mg pouch on its own didn't adequately curb my cigarette addiction. And I chain snus. Reading this has made me wonder if I'm approaching the threshold, however I have noticed no ill effects -- I sleep fine, don't get jittery, don't have any fight/flight panic attack type feelings, no nausea, no head aches, and my blood pressure is normal. I'm gonna guess all this depends on one's personal body chemistry, and perhaps whether one was a heavy smoker for a long time before switching to snus.

[SnusoMatic]

The LD50 (the dose needed to kill half a group of humans) for nicotine is 0.5-1.0 mg/k of body weight. I replied to a post a couple days about about something like this. That amount would be ingested not just in ones mouth. One would have to figure the free nicotine level of the snus. I don't know how much it is with general but i would guess like maybe 5-6 mg. While two 17 mg portions aint nothing to kid about the pure nicotine that would even be available to you would be for example 11 mg and it is "time released" you could say. It's not like you put 11 mg of nic in a needle and shot it in a vain.

With all that said, when I use too much extra strong snus for a while i get kind of sluggish feeling.