Ukraine - discuss

[Snusdog]

I have a question to our American friends.

Do you think the USA should invest into a direct or proxy war against Russia for Crimea to be Ukrainian?

Dear Frankie,

Isn't Crimea near Vancouver.........because if the Canadians are acting up again.....all you need is some free beer......and a Sasquatch suit........and the place will clear out in moments

Sincerely,
Your Geographically challenged friends in the USA

:hopelessness:

[Frankie Reloaded]

I think the Pandora box of border disputes was opened when NATO used Humanitarian Bombing (TM) to take Kosovo from Serbia and subsequently recognized it as an independent country. The precedent has already been clearly laid.

Russian military was in Crimea before it was given to Ukraine and remained there until this day. There is a treaty for Russian fleet to have a base there allowing some 30 000 Russian troops within the territory. Russians have not exceeded this number yet...

[Frankie Reloaded]

lol Snusdog... Vodka might do the same to Russians... but the world does not have enough vodka to keep them sedated for more than a few short days

[crullers]

Isn't Crimea near Vancouver.........because if the Canadians are acting up again.....all you need is some free beer......and a Sasquatch suit........and the place will clear out in moments

There's an old saying in Vancouver — I know it's in Ontario, probably in Vancouver — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.

[Burnsey]

There's an old saying in Vancouver — I know it's in Ontario, probably in Vancouver — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.

So, you are implying that there is a pattern here? lol

Fool me once, shame on you.....fool me twice, shame on me.

[lxskllr]

But we should end the off topic and get back to Ukraine. I have a question to our American friends.

Do you think the USA should invest into a direct or proxy war against Russia for Crimea to be Ukrainian? Because in my opinion it´s a Russian territory with predominantly Russian population that was given by the dumbest of all Soviet dictators, Khrustchev, as a gift to appease his native Ukraine.

Would you vote for a president/party who wants to start another war to "save" Crimea (or other parts of Ukraine that vote in referendum to rejoin Russia)? Is this worth for you in America? I live in a country bordering with Ukraine, so I am not impartial - I definitely do not wish any American war that close to home.

EDIT: Maybe you can afford another war now. I just read...

AFAIC, war should only be used for conquest or defense. If we get involved with Ukraine, we should own the territory when it's over. If Ukrainians sail over here and try to take New York, well... they can have it. That was bad example. Let's say they try to take Maine. We kick their asses back to Ukraine. Otherwise, it's not our problem, and we shouldn't be involved.

[truthwolf1]

[Frankie Reloaded]

Peaceful protesters...

[trebli]

This one pretty much says it all.

[Frankie Reloaded]

... In connection with the events currently unfolding in Ukraine, French Army surrendered...

[Burnsey]

[wa3zrm]

Poll: Vladimir Putin is stronger than President Obama

Maybe it is the photos of him posing shirtless on horseback, or his military push into Ukraine, but Americans in a new poll believe Russian President Vladimir Putin is a much stronger leader than President Obama.
A YouGov/Economist survey of 1,000 adults interviewed March 8-10 found that 78 percent view Putin as somewhat to very strong leader. Just 45 percent see Obama the same way. Worse, more Americans, 55 percent, view Obama as a weak leader.
The poll comes as the president is struggling with a response to Putin's push into Ukraine and expectations that Crimea will break off and join Russia.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...

[Darwin]

The Crimea is a done deal but it's beginning to look like Putin wants the whole shebang. To borrow a phrase from 20th century history, "The Anschluss is coming!"

[trebli]

Thousands march in Moscow to protest Crimea vote

I wonder if this will have any effect on Putin.



It was the largest anti-government demonstration since 2012. "Say no to war!" and "Putin, go away!"

http://www.fortmilltimes.com/2014/03...o-protest.html

[wa3zrm]