I and the other mods will be glad to answer any questions you may have

[Frosted]

I'm fine with it all....it's not my site after all and costs must be maintained I realise.
Keeping the chatbox as a hang out I'm immensely grateful for as a few of us like to banter and it's a big pull to the site for me as to be honest I've got frig all to say about snus any more unless there are changes to EU regs.

[Snusdog]

Guys,

As I have listened to everyone’s concerns, I think I realize a part of the problem……and that problem is my fault in not expressing the opening announcement in a way that clarified the matter in a more exact manner.

The issue of advertising is really a very small aspect of the goals we are we are working on for Snuson. Squeezy pointed out that money brings power, special treatment, and in the end corruption……..while that is all true…….the amount of money we are talking about here is very small…….the notion of ads is not being entertained in the hopes of turning a profit…….but if anything it is being considered on a very limited scale…..to simply help break even on the site upkeep……….now stop and think about that for a moment……….. how much do you think upkeep on a site like this actually cost…..……we are not talking about tones of cash……….so if money buys power and leads to corruption……very little money buys very little power, and leads to very little corruption……. IF ads are sold they will play a very limited role on the site and in turn have very little sway in the way things are run.

The real purpose of the ads (if indeed ownership actually decides to sell them) and the main reason behind the changes (ads or no ads) is to foster and promote industry involvement on the site…………What we are most interested in then is not the $15 dollars for a Gotlands ad……but rather to nurture Hans Jakobsson’s (the owner of Gotlands Snus) involvement on the site…….In turn it is our hope that greater industry involvement will generate interest and traffic to the site….Bottom line.

Now it is my fault for not making that point crystal clear.

It is not about the ads. It is about industry involvement and site traffic.

Now that said if ownership decides ads further this objective and we can cover the site cost in the process…. then so be it (and that is still on the table….so please don’t misunderstand this post…I am not trying to back off of that possibility until we hear directly one way or the other from ownership)….. …….but the amount of the site cost that we are looking at should serve to put this whole matter in a bit of perspective.

Cary on
Dog

[GoVegan]

Squeezy,

As long as the criticism is concrete and respectful (not just personal attacks or flame outs) it stands. This site will be of no use to members or merchants if its informational integrity is diminished.

Now when a company shorts you 100 pounds there may be a moment when a good rant is in order. That is what the basement (chatbox) is for.....blow off the steam and come back and articulate what happened in a way that can warn/benefit the other members on this site in their purchase making decisions

And by the way, throughout the whole debacle that you went through.....your criticism minced no words, pulled no punches, and was exactly the kind of response that is helpful to others.

And while those that will advertise.....if that indeed comes to fruition.......is beyond my scope of duty.....I would not be too certain that Northerner will be first in line........I hope they will be involved......but if they do I would expect them to have some of the past trends cleaned up before they spend money to have everyone here tell the world that the ship is still taking on water.

As long as the criticism is concrete and respectful can be interpreted many different ways much like many of the current laws that say as long as reasonable accommodation is made...

[trebli]

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[wa3zrm]

well, we all love snuson for different reasons, and we do tend to post that diversity. We do appreachiate that mod voodoo that you do. I think we are a little concerned that it sounds a bit like you want to clean it up and make it disney around here.....after all..it's vegas baby!

^^^this +1^^^

[Frankie Reloaded]

No blue barrels, no fleshlights, no guays, no flamewars...

[whalen]

Well, we all love Snuson for different reasons, and we do tend to post that diversity. We do appreachiate that mod voodoo that you do. I think we are a little concerned that it sounds a bit like you want to clean it up and make it Disney around here.....after all..it Vegas baby!

[whalen]

Define "SLIGHTLY", and could you use it in context.

[wa3zrm]

Some advice...

[squeezyjohn]

Fine - thanks for clearing that up dog.

All I will say further is that this kind of sentiment is a fine line to tread in reality. Money buys power in most cases, and that can lead to censorship and misinformation unless there are hard and fast rules in place to protect the truth being said.

And also please could all the mods and owners bear in mind that anger and frustration is a perfectly natural human response to being screwed over or treated badly by companies. The companies know this ... and I am certain that it is the policy of some to frustrate to the point of anger and when that anger spills over in communications they can wash their hands of the whole problem because they can claim abuse by the customer. That way only the most calm and articulate people stand a chance of getting genuine refunds paid or incorrect/defective orders rectified and the company saves money.

It's a nasty business, but it happens. I hope that is taken in to account when the anger is expressed here. I'm sure we all try our best to maintain politeness and courtesy even when angry - but I understand when that breaks down.

[Snusdog]

Snusdog ... as I said, I didn't have a real problem otherwise I would have flagged it up earlier. And I'm honoured (note the correct spelling!) that it was considered worthy of going up actually - but I would definitely have appreciated a PM to make sure.

I don't have a problem with sponsors or advertisements on the site per se, but like wa3zrm (I wish I could pronounce that name in my head!), I am slightly perturbed at the thought of the forum running scared of criticising the big boys like Northerner who will undoubtedly be the most likely advertising clients. At times the threads about problems with Northerner orders and customer service have been verging on the abusive and potentially very damaging to their sales - but at the same time it has performed the amazing service of warning readers of SnusOn about very real problems with ordering from that company. I'd hate to see a forum where that conflict of interests manifests itself in the dumbing down of what we feel we can write for similar cases.

Squeezy,

As long as the criticism is concrete and respectful (not just personal attacks or flame outs) it stands. This site will be of no use to members or merchants if its informational integrity is diminished.

Now when a company shorts you 100 pounds there may be a moment when a good rant is in order. That is what the basement (chatbox) is for.....blow off the steam and come back and articulate what happened in a way that can warn/benefit the other members on this site in their purchase making decisions

And by the way, throughout the whole debacle that you went through.....your criticism minced no words, pulled no punches, and was exactly the kind of response that is helpful to others.

And while those that will advertise.....if that indeed comes to fruition.......is beyond my scope of duty.....I would not be too certain that Northerner will be first in line........I hope they will be involved......but if they do I would expect them to have some of the past trends cleaned up before they spend money to have everyone here tell the world that the ship is still taking on water.

[squeezyjohn]

Snusdog ... as I said, I didn't have a real problem otherwise I would have flagged it up earlier. And I'm honoured (note the correct spelling!) that it was considered worthy of going up actually - but I would definitely have appreciated a PM to make sure.

I don't have a problem with sponsors or advertisements on the site per se, but like wa3zrm (I wish I could pronounce that name in my head!), I am slightly perturbed at the thought of the forum running scared of criticising the big boys like Northerner who will undoubtedly be the most likely advertising clients. At times the threads about problems with Northerner orders and customer service have been verging on the abusive and potentially very damaging to their sales - but at the same time it has performed the amazing service of warning readers of SnusOn about very real problems with ordering from that company. I'd hate to see a forum where that conflict of interests manifests itself in the dumbing down of what we feel we can write for similar cases.

[Snusdog]

You mention pornography will not be tolerated in the closed thread. I check the board often but don't post much...it bothers me that there may have been pornography here that I missed.

Other than that great forum and it sounds like great news.

oh baby....if you only knew


but Karen is still here

this is Karen >>> the snuson the BJ smilie

[Mill]

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......anyway any question I will do my best to answer.....

You mention pornography will not be tolerated in the closed thread. I check the board often but don't post much...it bothers me that there may have been pornography here that I missed.

Other than that great forum and it sounds like great news.

[wa3zrm]

This message sponsored by Burma Shave.

Sorry to correct you... it's brought to us by way of Northerner... the company that gives you points... takes them away... then never has anything in stock and wants half the tea in China to ship it to you.

Oh... I almost forgot... you can become a Gold member here and you will only be allowed to purchase Jak's products! Remember the last big marketing effort?