I and the other mods will be glad to answer any questions you may have

[Skell18]

Especially if it gets more SM products stateside.... then I'm Definitely all for it....

Your problem there is the FDA, not who is on an Internet forum. From what you guys have said no amount of lobbying will speed that up!

[pouchface]

Anecdotal evidence..... I think we can all agree that having Rick here has been a huge asset to this forum, not only for his personality but also for his industry knowledge and the fact that he has helped many a member get snus close to home..... So wouldn't it be a good thing to have even more people with Rick's knowledge around?

Especially if it gets more SM products stateside.... then I'm Definitely all for it....

[trebli]

Ha, my site is only worth 380$. That's crazy.

In all fairness, most of the time anytime you Google something snus related, review, or otherwise, it usually directs you to my blog, and not my site.

Snubie.com was set up to kinda be the "index" page for my blog.

Well Chad, I read your blog often and I like it, but the ranking service I used couldn't pick up your blog.http://www.freewebsitereport.org/www...1.blogspot.com

It did find the parent domain which they estimated is worth $185 million. http://www.freewebsitereport.org/www.blogspot.com

I do agree with you that these rankings and estimates don't mean much in the real world. I posted these links to show that the changes Snuson is considering isn't going to make anyone rich. But it might help Snuson to break even.

[rickcharles606]

Ha, my site is only worth 380$. That's crazy.

In all fairness, most of the time anytime you Google something snus related, review, or otherwise, it usually directs you to my blog, and not my site.

Snubie.com was set up to kinda be the "index" page for my blog.

I'll give ya $385 or $500 for Snubie and GoSmokeless...LMAO

[BadAxe]

There will always be drama when major change comes to a forum (A PM from someone has me staying a bit longer). People always say, "Why the drama?". I think its because forums you visit daily are more than just a forum. ALthough we may not personally know the members, they become part of us, because we converse everyday, so changes that come on a daily visited forum are like changes in real life and we as humans, are mostly resistent to change (especially if we percieve the change as less and not more). My stance about pot is more than about pot. I love SNUS. I LOVE this forum for introducing me to swedish snus, and for all of the things i have learned since, and for the fact that I am smoke free now for over a year. But I know almost everything I need to know about SNUS at this point, besides reviews on flavors I have not tried, and of course anything new that comes down the pike. But what that means is I have little left to discuss about snus, unless helping newbies out. So if only snus is talked about here, I have little reason to visit regularly. But that doesn't mean I also no longer want to talk regularly with this community, which is why there is nothing wrong with an Off Topic forum, where other subjects are allowed.

As far as pot is concerned, well, its an interesting topic, especially lately with all of the legalization measures, and something I love to talk about, and yes, I feel general talk of it should be no big deal. I find it hard to believe an advertiser is going to walk away because of a thread about pot in an off topic forum. But what do I know. Anyway, just wanted to follow up a little bit.

[whalen]

^^^this^^^

I mean really guys, is it that big a deal that you won't be able to discuss pot, or porn and that we all have to act in a civil manner and use language that is appropriate for the masses? There are plenty of sites that will allow you to discuss these things and behave that way, this site chooses not to have it's members behave that way. And what's the beef with having advertisers, especially advertisers that we all either buy from or use a product that they produce?? The goal is to have ALL of them here, not just one, this isn't a "corporate takeover" in the least. This site is and always has been a privately owned site, one guy, lol. We do host the site on Northerner's servers, but we've also informed them that we will be moving the servers, and selling ads to any of the online shop and manufacturers.

I'd also like to see retailers from your areas come in here and talk about events that they have, or any deals that they might have. I'd like to see the manufacturers come back and use this as a proving ground again, and get the legitimate feedback that they're seeking in order to develop a finished product that the consumers will like. Things like this will get this place to grow, and that's what the owner wants to see and that's what we the mods have been charged to deliver. So, the new ToU have been posted and anyone that remains will be held to those standards, and some threads will be closed and archived. I assume some of you won't be happy about that and will leave, that's unfortunate because we want everyone to stay and help make this place better, together. However, if you choose to leave...the door is always open for you to come back.

We put the new ToU out as a first step, the next step will take place once we get the forum to a place that we feel is ready for advertisers. Many have already said that they will participate, you will know when it happens when you see ads on the site. I'm sure the owner of the site would forego the advertisers, if any of you are willing to make donations or pay a membership fee, lol. I'll pass :-) As to making a profit, why not...if the owner sees an opportunity to do so, I for one will help him. Right now, we're going to shoot for covering expenses, etc. He's been good enough to give us SnusOn for years and years. This is not only our playground guys...this place while privately owned...belongs to anyone wanting to learn about snus and other tobacco products, it's bigger than any one of us.

Many of you have expressed that you're okay with the change, we thank you for standing with us. Other's have expressed concerns and they've been addressed, if not...please let us know via PM. This thread is beginning to degrade and I don't want to see it get any worse. By now, each of us know where we stand and we need to get on with the business of running the forum.

I am sure you do have big plans for the site!
Sorry we tracked mud into the Gold mine......!

[chadizzy1]

Did you ever wonder what a web site is worth based on its earning potential through add revenue? This site attempts to do that based on the number of visitors etc. You might find these results interesting.

http://www.freewebsitereport.org/www.wikipedia.org
http://www.freewebsitereport.org/www.snuscentral.com
http://www.freewebsitereport.org/www...ette-forum.com
http://www.freewebsitereport.org/www.snuson.com
http://www.freewebsitereport.org/www.snubie.com
http://www.freewebsitereport.org/www.gosmokeless.org

Ha, my site is only worth 380$. That's crazy.

In all fairness, most of the time anytime you Google something snus related, review, or otherwise, it usually directs you to my blog, and not my site.

Snubie.com was set up to kinda be the "index" page for my blog.

[squeezyjohn]

I agree that there has been quite enough drama here! Sorry for my part in escalating it in the traditional SnusOn manner ... old habits are going to be hard to kick.

Now that it's been established that the owners are not looking to make big money out of the forum - it would be good to think about why they want to shake things up a little. I suspect it's because there are still many people out there with access to the internet who want to quit smoking but are struggling - and like many of the regulars here experienced, they can be saved by a good informed introduction to snus ... that's right SnusOn has the power to save lives!

I'm sure they have noticed, as have I, the trend of less people signing up and sticking around to become regulars here recently. I'm also sure that they have also noticed that 50% of the population, women, are not represented here (with the few notable exceptions). I'm sure there are even some men who encounter this site and think "nope I can't be a regular here" because they are worried that a partner will look over their shoulder and see discussions about illegal drugs, soft pornography or extreme political views.

That last paragraph is not to accuse or blame anyone here of making that happen. It just happens naturally when a forum becomes more mature - there will be lots of regulars who already know all the snus stuff so they talk about other things - and when that reaches a critical weight then the forum becomes less attractive to new members because it's all kinds of off-topic subjects, in-jokes and rowdiness. The majority of us are men - so it's a very testosterone charged place now. And I would suggest that it's a less effective place for people to feel comfortable joining up to in order to get support for something that could save their life!

I don't think that's a reason to go away from this site - just because it's been pointed out that the place might be more useful if we toned the rowdy behaviour down. I think it's a reason to visit more often so that you can pass on your valuable advice to others.

Cheers

Squeezy

[Zubenelgenubi]

Que?

hahahahahahahahaha

[Zubenelgenubi]

I don´t see any problem in ads, the most of the sites have ads, and if the owners wants to cover the expenses of keeping alive this site, and why not, to earn some money, that´s our main purpose when doing some job, and above it all, if we have some participation from manufacturers, dealers, etc, could be helpful for us. Who am I to tell others what to do? if I don´t like I can go, but even though I don´t participate too much, maybe because I still have some gaps with english, lol, I found this site a great place to talk about snus mainly and other stuffs, and to give answers to our questions and I enter every day to see what you are talking about. I would be very sad to see that for something like this some people could go. I´m sure we still will talk about everything here, maybe we only have to take care about the words we use to not be offensive, please think that if I write some offensive word is because of some mistake with my english, lol.

[GoVegan]

Don't hold back on your feelings Blue. It's not healthy.

[rickcharles606]

LMAO, that's quite enough bourbon for you, sir :-)

[Snusdog]

OK...here is the final word on the whole matter

You know when you are in a Burger King restroom peeing....and you think you are finished....but in actuality...you are not.......and so you get a little PUD on your khakis (PUD = Post Urinal Drip)....and then you are there at that wall mounted hair dryer....trying to de-pud your pants.......but as the wall mount blows warm strong air on your crotch you suddenly think of Linda, who you dated in Highschool...who always loved cheese on her burgers.....and then you remember that you left your wallet in the car console.

well all these changes are just like that....except....in the end.....you don't get a burger

[rickcharles606]

Rilly? So much drama. We are guests here...... our host(s) make the rules....if we like it we stay if not we move on.....seems simple.....enough whining all...

^^^this^^^

I mean really guys, is it that big a deal that you won't be able to discuss pot, or porn and that we all have to act in a civil manner and use language that is appropriate for the masses? There are plenty of sites that will allow you to discuss these things and behave that way, this site chooses not to have it's members behave that way. And what's the beef with having advertisers, especially advertisers that we all either buy from or use a product that they produce?? The goal is to have ALL of them here, not just one, this isn't a "corporate takeover" in the least. This site is and always has been a privately owned site, one guy, lol. We do host the site on Northerner's servers, but we've also informed them that we will be moving the servers, and selling ads to any of the online shop and manufacturers.

I'd also like to see retailers from your areas come in here and talk about events that they have, or any deals that they might have. I'd like to see the manufacturers come back and use this as a proving ground again, and get the legitimate feedback that they're seeking in order to develop a finished product that the consumers will like. Things like this will get this place to grow, and that's what the owner wants to see and that's what we the mods have been charged to deliver. So, the new ToU have been posted and anyone that remains will be held to those standards, and some threads will be closed and archived. I assume some of you won't be happy about that and will leave, that's unfortunate because we want everyone to stay and help make this place better, together. However, if you choose to leave...the door is always open for you to come back.

We put the new ToU out as a first step, the next step will take place once we get the forum to a place that we feel is ready for advertisers. Many have already said that they will participate, you will know when it happens when you see ads on the site. I'm sure the owner of the site would forego the advertisers, if any of you are willing to make donations or pay a membership fee, lol. I'll pass :-) As to making a profit, why not...if the owner sees an opportunity to do so, I for one will help him. Right now, we're going to shoot for covering expenses, etc. He's been good enough to give us SnusOn for years and years. This is not only our playground guys...this place while privately owned...belongs to anyone wanting to learn about snus and other tobacco products, it's bigger than any one of us.

Many of you have expressed that you're okay with the change, we thank you for standing with us. Other's have expressed concerns and they've been addressed, if not...please let us know via PM. This thread is beginning to degrade and I don't want to see it get any worse. By now, each of us know where we stand and we need to get on with the business of running the forum.

[wa3zrm]

Has anyone given "membership" any thought?

I own and operate a site that can be defined as "mid-level" in size. The cost of hosting, third party services and maintenance runs me around $3K a year. I realize there is an expense to running snuson. I suggest that the owner(s) look at similar models as to what we do here. Take a close look at the ECF... That is the model type that I would utilize if I owned snuson. Just a suggestion...