Did aliens or God create the human race?

[sgreger1]

I have a bunch of books that I've read about "aliens existence" but as we humans are rational beings how could we completely believe in their existence, when we clearly and believe so that no one has seen an alien alive? I mean a lot of strange things happen all over the world.... but most of the times the phenomena is sometimes explained by science... later on...

Just to get back to the idea, I have read an article on Creation.com that debates:

If God created the universe, then who created God?

http://creation.com/if-god-created-t...ho-created-god

Quite interesting.... conceptions.

I had this question since I was 3 or 4 ..... If everything on this planet ends sooner or later (even the glaciers and animal species) then where is the end of the Universe?

Q. And if there is an end to the Universe (I am referring to its size) .... what is after that "END"..... Guessing it's infinite .... but what is infinity?


The Universe is Infinite then that makes me believe that God is the Universe.

So God Created the Universe, just like Him "INFINITE".

Why would the universe being infinite mean that there is a God? Could not the universe be infinite without the need for a God of any sort?

[precious007]

Why would the universe being infinite mean that there is a God? Could not the universe be infinite without the need for a God of any sort?

It could

.... but GOD is the Universe

And Universe is GOD.

The mental state that shamans achieve in their practices allow them to connect with the Universe, while meditating (they achive "the pure state of our existence", where the is no thought of any sort. (that's when they connect with GOD/Universe)

^^ This theory above contradicts most religions where you have to think/pray endlessly to achieve bliss.

Religion in my opinion closed all horizons for people (it can even make you feel worthless and guilty)

It's one and the same thing, except that some people have created religions and beliefs that contradict this theory.

The religion says: believe and don't doubt (THIS IS THE MOST PARANOID AND SELF-DESTRUCTIVE, ABUSIVE AND DICTATORIAL saying in my opinion)

Beliving and not doubting would have led today to a world without science, medical research and so on.

So are you still religious?

[sgreger1]

It could

.... but GOD is the Universe

And Universe is GOD.

The mental state that shamans achieve in their practices allow them to connect with the Universe, while meditating (they achive "the pure state of our existence", where the is no thought of any sort. (that's when they connect with GOD/Universe)

^^ This theory above contradicts most religions where you have to think/pray endlessly to achieve bliss.

Religion in my opinion closed all horizons for people (it can even make you feel worthless and guilty)

It's one and the same thing, except that some people have created religions and beliefs that contradict this theory.

The religion says: believe and don't doubt (THIS IS THE MOST PARANOID AND SELF-DESTRUCTIVE, ABUSIVE AND DICTATORIAL saying in my opinion)

Beliving and not doubting would have led today to a world without science, medical research and so on.

So are you still religious?

If you say that god is the universe and that the universe is god than why not just pick one and stick with it? How about "The universe is the universe" lol. I just don't see how God plays into any of this.

[precious007]

In my opinion and I hold my position God is Universe. As long as you have a balance in the Universe your soul is in bliss.

Existence of God

Main article: Existence of God
Renowned physicist Stephen Hawking and co-author Leonard Mlodinow state in their book, 'The Grand Design' , that it is reasonable to ask who or what created the universe, but if the answer is God, then the question has merely been deflected to that of who created God. In this view it is accepted that some entity exists that needs no creator, and that entity is called God. This is known as the first-cause argument for the existence of God. Both authors claim however, that it is possible to answer these questions purely within the realm of science, and without invoking any divine beings.^[25]
Many arguments which attempt to prove or disprove the existence of God have been proposed by philosophers, theologians, and other thinkers for many centuries. In philosophical terminology, such arguments concern schools of thought on the epistemology of the ontology of God.^{[citation needed]}
There are many philosophical issues concerning the existence of God. Some definitions of God are sometimes nonspecific, while other definitions can be self-contradictory. Arguments for the existence of God typically include metaphysical, empirical, inductive, and subjective types, while others revolve around perceived holes in evolutionary theory and order and complexity in the world. Arguments against the existence of God typically include empirical, deductive, and inductive types. Conclusions reached include: "God does not exist" (strong atheism); "God almost certainly does not exist"^[26] (de facto atheism); "no one knows whether God exists" (agnosticism); "God exists, but this cannot be proven or disproven" (weak theism); and "God exists and this can be proven" (strong theism). There are numerous variations on these positions.^{[citation needed]}
Some theologians, such as the scientist and theologian A.E. McGrath, argue that the existence of God cannot be adjudicated on for or against by using scientific method.^[27][28]AgnosticStephen Jay Gould argues that science and religion are not in conflict and do not overlap.^{[citation needed]}

As for the existence I am not an atheist, I do believe that God represents everything that surrounds us.

If you want ... God and Universe and Synonyms.

As for the existence of a "superior power" referred to as God.......... the above texts clearly explains that THERE IS MORE RESEARCH NEEDED.

God referred to as in many religions has been created purely to manipulate the masses. (IMO)

I don't want to get into religion because it's only a human concept and nothing that has to something to do with the reality we live in.....

By the way has anyone here tried to read the Bible? What was your experience?

Didn't you feel as if you're guilty or basically making you feel more depressed?

[sgreger1]

In my opinion and I hold my position God is Universe. As long as you have a balance in the Universe your soul is in bliss.

What the hell does that mean though? How do you define "balance in the universe"? As far as we can tell, everything is balanced pretty well. And how does this make your soul blissfull? Is there a soul, and is it affected by how "balanced" the universe is? If

God and Universe are synonymous with one another in your definition, than why say God is Universe? Why not just say Universe?

By the way has anyone here tried to read the Bible? What was your experience?

Didn't you feel as if you're guilty or basically making you feel more depressed?

Having been raised as a christian, I have read the bible numerous times, and even had the ability to hear everyones side of the story as I attended churches from several denominations. It's amazing how groups like the catholics read it in a totally different context than, say, the protestants.

I find the book fascinating only in that it is a document which mankind has guarded and passed on for so long. There are many myths and legends that have emerged throughout history, but it's kind of cool that this particular set of them was propogated so wide and far. Looking at the dead sea scrolls that were later discovered, it's cool to know that a lot of the old testament at least is still pretty much the same thing we read today as it was a thousand years ago. Kinda cool that a story has been kept alive so long, and considering how the bible was mainly ripped from earlier texts of different religions, it means that the story is even older than that.



As is probably clear in this thread, I don't believe in any traditional God, as in some external force who is coordinating all this. I think that, at best, the universe itself is an organism of some sort (though not sentient like a God would be), and that out of this whole thing came sentient beings (humans and any other aliens elsewhere) who were able to subjectively experience the universe (themselves) from within. Which is pretty cool really.

The problem I see so often is this idea of "We don't understand it yet, therefore God did it". This line of thinking hasn't served us very well over the years, and is consistently proven to be a very inacurate way of doing things.

[precious007]

What the hell does that mean though? How do you define "balance in the universe"? As far as we can tell, everything is balanced pretty well. And how does this make your soul blissfull? Is there a soul, and is it affected by how "balanced" the universe is? If

God and Universe are synonymous with one another in your definition, than why say God is Universe? Why not just say Universe?






Having been raised as a christian, I have read the bible numerous times, and even had the ability to hear everyones side of the story as I attended churches from several denominations. It's amazing how groups like the catholics read it in a totally different context than, say, the protestants.

I find the book fascinating only in that it is a document which mankind has guarded and passed on for so long. There are many myths and legends that have emerged throughout history, but it's kind of cool that this particular set of them was propogated so wide and far. Looking at the dead sea scrolls that were later discovered, it's cool to know that a lot of the old testament at least is still pretty much the same thing we read today as it was a thousand years ago. Kinda cool that a story has been kept alive so long, and considering how the bible was mainly ripped from earlier texts of different religions, it means that the story is even older than that.



As is probably clear in this thread, I don't believe in any traditional God, as in some external force who is coordinating all this. I think that, at best, the universe itself is an organism of some sort (though not sentient like a God would be), and that out of this whole thing came sentient beings (humans and any other aliens elsewhere) who were able to subjectively experience the universe (themselves) from within. Which is pretty cool really.

The problem I see so often is this idea of "We don't understand it yet, therefore God did it". This line of thinking hasn't served us very well over the years, and is consistently proven to be a very inacurate way of doing things.

Ok, lets say just Universe.

Everything might be balanced pretty well, but sometimes YOU might not be balanced that well (that's when your chakras are affected.

There is a soul just read my post from another thread - I've been experiencing quite a lot of things and I can say that YES there is a soul. (you are a soul in a material body).

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Ever since 2004 I've been lucid dreaming, astral projection, vivid dreaming, day dreaming, OBD and sleep paralysys.Today, before falling asleep (I rarely sleep during the day) I had experienced Hypnagogia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnagogic_hallucination - a rather common form of hallucination that also occurs even in healthy individuals, nevertheless it was quite disturbing.First off I was hallucinating that it was night (when this happened at 2 PM all the way, and I suddenly jumped off my bed and realized that it's 2 PM and daylight out side. Well, then I went back to sleep and now it started all over again, this time I right before falling asleep I was hearing Christmas Carols, that seemingly came out of nowhere. (I suddenly woke up again since I didn't know what's happening to me). The sound of the Carols was so clear, to be frank I've never heard such beautiful carols in my entire life.* The experience wasn't necessarily scary but definitely annoying.I decided to go back in bed and try to nap for an hour. As I was falling asleep, right before the moment I would fall asleep, this hand came out of the wall next to my bed and it was grabbing and punching me and I couldn't move a muscle and/or do anything about it. (I actually was experiencing the pain from the punching and grabbing) I was shocked, this time I decided to stay awake and started to research on Wikipedia and several other psychology forums to see what's going on with me.Seemingly, I was experiencing Hypnagogia.This definitely has a strong connection with Lyme Disease or an undiagnosed neurological disorder."""

Notice that the hallucination in hypnagogic state is not a normal hallucination it's a COMBO of visual, auditory, olfactory, gustatory, tactile, proprioceptive, equilibrioceptive, nociceptive,thermoceptive and chronoceptive halluctions. In the hypnagogia most of the occurences are similar to sleep paralysis except that in sleep paralsys the soul actually detaches from the body and the hallucinations are either not present or not as intense.

[truthwolf1]

Thanks. Well, I haven't been using snus, so it seemed odd to still be a regular poster. I have many times thought about trying snus again... I'd look over the getsnus site... but then I'd think I don't think I'd like it anymore, and I don't think I wanna get back on it again... but that repeats at times. I wish I could just go to my corner gas station and pick up a can of General once in a while, as I'd do that, but I don't want to order a bunch, and if I got it and didn't like it anymore, one can would not be any big deal.

Glad you stopped bye Man.

Many have missed your knoweledge on many of the topics in the People & World Around US.. Those were some seriously entertaining days that might of even been spent during working hours!! Good to hear the band is still going and will have to go back into the what you are listening to see the new song.

I have forgotten the last time I placed a order myself and have been using General from the local store. It seems like Pact and the Economy has taken many members in new directions over these past years.

[sgreger1]

Ok, lets say just Universe.

Everything might be balanced pretty well, but sometimes YOU might not be balanced that well (that's when your chakras are affected.

Chakras do not exist. I agree about being balanced though, meditation is good to accomplish that. There is the mind, and then there is the mind that thinks about the fact that the mind is thinking. Gotta quiet the mind and exist more in the part that quietly observes your thoughts without creating any chatter itself. Very meta

There is a soul just read my post from another thread - I've been experiencing quite a lot of things and I can say that YES there is a soul. (you are a soul in a material body).

None of what you are experiencing is proof of a soul. You are experiencing various halucinations. On a side note, why in the hell are you having all of these things at once? Its common for anyone to experience one or two of these in their life, but to consistently have all of that going on must be pretty crazy for you!

Notice that the hallucination in hypnagogic state is not a normal hallucination it's a COMBO of

visual, auditory, olfactory, gustatory, tactile, proprioceptive, equilibrioceptive, nociceptive,thermoceptive and chronoceptive halluctions. In the hypnagogia most of the occurences are similar to sleep paralysis except that in sleep paralsys the soul actually detaches from the body and the hallucinations are either not present or not as intense.

Umm, sleep paralysis does not occur due to the "soul leaving the body", that is complete nonsese. What you described is (in your own words) a halucination, a very specific type of halcuination. This all has nothing to do with a soul, and certainly is not proof of a soul.

Were you under the impression that sleep paralysis results from the soul leaving your body? Romania is crazy man. I may have to start my signature list of famous quotes from Precious again

[precious007]

Chakras do not exist. I agree about being balanced though, meditation is good to accomplish that. There is the mind, and then there is the mind that thinks about the fact that the mind is thinking. Gotta quiet the mind and exist more in the part that quietly observes your thoughts without creating any chatter itself. Very meta




None of what you are experiencing is proof of a soul. You are experiencing various halucinations. On a side note, why in the hell are you having all of these things at once? Its common for anyone to experience one or two of these in their life, but to consistently have all of that going on must be pretty crazy for you!

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Umm, sleep paralysis does not occur due to the "soul leaving the body", that is complete nonsese. What you described is (in your own words) a halucination, a very specific type of halcuination. This all has nothing to do with a soul, and certainly is not proof of a soul.

Were you under the impression that sleep paralysis results from the soul leaving your body? Romania is crazy man. I may have to start my signature list of famous quotes from Precious again

you are speaking non-sense dude

First of all you have no diploma to certify all of your sayings. I have spoken with numerous specialists that have confirmed my experiences.

On a second note, sleep paralysis is NOT a hallucination - it may be accompanied by hallucinations. (it's a neurological disorder in medical terms)

On a third note I am not experiencing these quite often, I've had them a couple dozen of times.

In the hypnagocic you can have either of the various types of hallucinations (but you're not conscious while having the hallucinations)

And, IF neither are of these experiences are proof of a soul then how would you explain that in sleep paralysis and/or hypnagocia you can view yourself from different angles? Say from the top of your room or from the corners of your room.... ?

Yep - I'm on you with the chakras (there more research needed) - even though I tend to believe as the soul does exist....


You better do some more study before contradicting someone.

Anyways, some things are really weird and not even science has been able to determine their existence.

For example in sleep paralysis I've heard that many people experience the same thing. Is there a question to why this happens?

Hypnagogia and Sleep Paralysis

The hypnagogic state can also play a rather distressing role in sleep paralysis. While many WILD lucid dreams involve passing through sleep paralysis briefly and uneventfully, some people suffer from prolonged sleep paralysis against their will. In some cases, the fear of being unable to move, paired with complex hypnagogia (or hypnopompia), results in terrifying hallucinations.

The most common experience involves a foreign entity - a stranger, intruder, or even aliens - entering the room and putting pressure on the chest. All this happens while the sufferer is completely paralyzed (with the exception of the eyes, mouth and maybe fingertips). Frequent episodes are rare, but do happen, and are mostly associated with sufferers of narcolepsy or other sleep disorders, such as sleep terrors or even sleep apnea.

Kinda weird never had this wish I won't lol but a lot of people do -

Maybe there is some connection and aliens playing trick on US, lmao

[Ansel]

Humans created God and aliens created humans. Er, or was it humans created aliens and god created snus. Heck, i don't know - it was something like that. Why you humans so fussed about details. Hell.

[Ansel]

Precious i can get your chakras realligned for £50 if you like. Let me know.

[sgreger1]

you are speaking non-sense dude

First of all you have no diploma to certify all of your sayings. I have spoken with numerous specialists that have confirmed my experiences.

On a second note, sleep paralysis is NOT a hallucination - it may be accompanied by hallucinations. (it's a neurological disorder in medical terms)

On a third note I am not experiencing these quite often, I've had them a couple dozen of times.

In the hypnagocic you can have either of the various types of hallucinations (but you're not conscious while having the hallucinations)

And, IF neither are of these experiences are proof of a soul then how would you explain that in sleep paralysis and/or hypnagocia you can view yourself from different angles? Say from the top of your room or from the corners of your room.... ?

Yep - I'm on you with the chakras (there more research needed) - even though I tend to believe as the soul does exist....


You better do some more study before contradicting someone.

Anyways, some things are really weird and not even science has been able to determine their existence.

For example in sleep paralysis I've heard that many people experience the same thing. Is there a question to why this happens?



Kinda weird never had this wish I won't lol but a lot of people do -

Maybe there is some connection and aliens playing trick on US, lmao

I am most certainly not speaking nonsense. He who speaks of chakras and souls is the one speaking nonsense.

And I know sleep paralysis isn't a halucination, but the experience you were describing was a hypnagogic halucination (by your own definition).
Sleep paralysis is a neurological issue which I myself had for a long time. It's more like dreams but you are awake to experience them and paralysed kind of thing. It most certainly IS NOT your soul leaving your body. That is junk nonsense and I don't care what "specialist" you saw that told you that, it is completely explainable as neurological issue and does not in any way have anything to do with a soul leaving your body. That is complete batshit nonsense to put it lightly.

On a third note I am not experiencing these quite often, I've had them a couple dozen of times.

Oh okay I thought you were having all of these regularly, what a trip that must be, even if only a few dozen times! I've had sleep paralysis lots of times, but not many of the other ones you listed. That must be insane to have a halucination where you feel pain and stuff, sounds very scary. (still not rpoof of a soul though)

And, IF neither are of these experiences are proof of a soul then how would you explain that in sleep paralysis and/or hypnagocia you can view yourself from different angles? Say from the top of your room or from the corners of your room.... ?

They have recreated these experiences in a lab many times, it's a trick, an illusion, not a soul. If you did have a soul, and if it did leave your body, you would lack the visual ability to see things like a normal human does (as the soul has no eyes, brain etc). So the fact that you are seeing yourself from across the room or whatever is proof positive that it was not actually a soul who moved over to the other end of the room and looked back on it's body. A soul would, due to it's inherent lack of physical counterparts, not be able to see in regular human vision.

You better do some more study before contradicting someone.

I have clearly done more research than you, because had you actually done any level f research you would have noted that these phenomena have been studied in a controlled environment and have perfectly rational explanations to them, none of which include the existance of a soul.

The fact that you believe in a soul (more specifically, one who would see the world through human eyes if detached from the body), and chakras etc tells me you have not done any level of research on the subject outside of romanian conspiracy websites.


The "foreign entity" thing has also been studied. In fact, by teasing a certain part of the brain, scientists can make you believe there is someone standing next to you or behind you, they can create this "presence" by stimulating the part of the brain responsible for such things. It's not magic or aliens or souls or ghosts and goblins, it is your amazing brain which is capable of tricking you into seeing things that are not there.

[sgreger1]

Precious i can get your chakras realligned for £50 if you like. Let me know.

Oh for sure, me too. I only charge $45 though so hit me up on PM and I will heal your chakras from a distance (i'm a distance healer). Paypal only.

[Randall]

Here what i am sure of , God does not created the Human but God ( the guy who we call God) created the beginning of everything the that started to go his natural way like a clock with out ending where whatch master created the watch but how it goes he does not care ....

This is what I think also.

[AtreyuKun]

Sgreger vs Precious
round 2!
Fight!