Obama releases birth certificate...

[timholian]

Outsource/Offshore everything is not due to the GOP. This is false democrat propaganda. Thanks to democrat taxing and regulations jobs have moved offshore.

but but If corporations have the same rights as people, shouldnt they pay the peoples taxes?

The countries that harbor the corporations that use this tactic are not doing so well..... so it may not be a good idea to let industry pay no tax (Im not going to debate how much they should pay)

[StuKlu]

Are corporations not made up of people that pay taxes?

[RobsanX]

Outsource/Offshore everything is not due to the GOP. This is false democrat propaganda. Thanks to democrat taxing and regulations jobs have moved offshore.

I said that they are running the GOP, not the other way around...

[timholian]

Are corporations not made up of people that pay taxes?

This is true and a common argument and it would work if the US government didn't recognize the corporation itself as an individual and give it an individuals rights.

Small business pays plenty of taxes...... and survive .... why can't corporations do the same?

I dont have a problem with making profit off of the American public..... but to take that money/profit out of the country to forgo taxes seems wrong imo.

[dpete]

Are corporations not made up of people that pay taxes?

Yes but those people have their own citizenship rights. If a corporation as an entity demands and receives the rights of a citizen should it not have the responsibilities of a citizen?

[Mongrul]

Trump is going to have a tough time explaining his positions, which have changed constantly over the years. He's been a huge supporter of some of the vilest leftist criminals ever to set foot in Washington and that support will come back to haunt him. His flip flopping positions make John Kerry and Barry O look like boy scouts. You Tube is full of video's of him bad mouthing who ever is in power...seemingly for his own personal gain. For example, he said in the past that GW Bush was the worst president we've ever had. Now, Obama is the worst president we've had since Jimmy Carter. Who is it dude?? On the bright side the man get's results. No doubt about it. He's brash, he's in your face, doesn't pull punches and doesn't back down...or bow to our enemy's. The cynic in me says he's just screwing around with these issues to make the tea party look bad, then he's going to bail out. He's buds with top leftist leaders in both houses. I doubt he'd seriously screw up those cozy relationships to knock out their boy toy Barry.

[truthwolf1]

WHo said it earlier up here
but you are right that this election will be all about the economy. This is exactly why Trump could take the presidency with no problems as a Rep and a tight race as a Independent no matter who the Rep candidate is.

The primary will be a hurdle for him but following the last one there was really only Ron Paul that had any enthusiastic support. Wait til the Trumpsters start working on his campaign.

I think if his more liberal ideals came out in a debate that he would compensate the lost votes with twice as many Democrats willing to leave the Obama sinking ship.

but all in all I dont think he is going to follow through with it

[timholian]

WHo said it earlier up here
but you are right that this election will be all about the economy. This is exactly why Trump could take the presidency with no problems as a Rep and a tight race as a Independent no matter who the Rep candidate is.

The primary will be a hurdle for him but following the last one there was really only Ron Paul that had any enthusiastic support. Wait til the Trumpsters start working on his campaign.

I think if his more liberal ideals came out in a debate that he would compensate the lost votes with twice as many Democrats willing to leave the Obama sinking ship.

but all in all I dont think he is going to follow through with it

So, are you willing to take my bet?

[truthwolf1]

Timholian, if he actually runs in the primary and does not drop out beforehand, I will take a bet.
but my gut thoughts are he is not going to follow through to that point.

Roll of Snus my friend?

[timholian]

Timholian, if he actually runs in the primary and does not drop out beforehand, I will take a bet.
but my gut thoughts are he is not going to follow through to that point.

Roll of Snus my friend?

Sadly, he will not make it that far and we have to bet one step at a time.

You could always double your bet by winning twice.
It doesnt make sense to me that you would bet on one thing without having the same confidence in the thing that precludes it.

1 roll is a fine bet.... but gotta do it one stage at a time.

[RobsanX]

With all the conspiracy nuts here I can't believe the nobody has mentioned Panetta leaving the CIA on the same day the BC is released. The truth is out there!

[Speedoape]

http://mobile.theonion.com/articles/...0/?mobile=true

[sgreger1]

Outsource/Offshore everything is not due to the GOP. This is false democrat propaganda. Thanks to democrat taxing and regulations jobs have moved offshore.

Well it's both parties faults but mainly it has to do with the nature of business and globilisation. The republicans claim lowering taxes will make it more friendly to business, the dems claim that regulations is how to stop offshoring, but the truthfull answer is that companies will set up shop where their overhead is lowest and profits are as maxed out as possible. This means that even if we cut corporate taxes to 0, many of these places would still offshore everything because the employees there are hungrier and willing to work for cheaper than Americans. It's not about how much they get taxed, it's about how much they have to pay the employees. Call centers in india aren't there for tax reasons, they are there because it is cheaper to operate.


Lowering taxes or increasing regulation will not fix the problem which is that halfway across the world there is someone who wants to knit that sweater a lot more than you do and who is willing to take pennies an hour in return for rediculous quantities of work. In the free market they are in demand and you are not, therefore they get the job. The free market, in theory, should result in the lowest price possible, and the prices at wal mart etc are frankly unbeatable because it doesn't get any cheaper than slave labor lol. How are honest businesses supposed to compete? How are small businesses who have a brick&mortar location in the US supposed to compete with a firm that can hire people in the jungle to make the product for pennies an hour, there is just no way to compete with that.



I will say this, regulation can be good and bad, but the democrats seem to always favor the bad sort. here in CA it costs 200,000 extra dollars to open a jack in the box than it does in texas, that is due to all the paperwork etc to get the licenses. Therefore, it is clearly more proftable to do business out of texas. But, on the other hand, the CA market is large and it may be profitable to set up shop and pay the extra $200,000. There is no guarantee of maximum profits and it is at the business's discretion whether or not they want to spend the extra money to come here. All of this really lies in the hands of the businesses and our tax rates are already pretty low, lowering them does not result in an increase in tax receipts or businesses moving back to the US. In fact lowering corporate taxes in the past never stopped any fo these countries from moving offshore where the labor is cheaper.

[sgreger1]

but but If corporations have the same rights as people, shouldnt they pay the peoples taxes?

This is the end all to this argument. If they want the benefits of being a person, than pay the same tax as other persons, if they don't want to pay the tax then they must not be persons so we can go ahead and change the rest of the rules to reflect that. There is no reason a corporation should ever be paying less in taxes than our janitors do. BP, GE, etc all get our taxpayer dollars even when they make a profit. they are stealing from our janitors to give it to someone who already has money, this kind of "reverse robin hood" mentality will NOT result in businesses hiring more people or coming back to the states, that has been clearly proven during the past few years where they got a free ride and made a killing in profits but still cut payroll and didn't create any new jobs.

[EricHill78]