On internet killswitches & why revolution is coming.

[Maher]

I heard he was supposed to speak but then didn't show up, but that was hours ago. Did he make his speech? What did he say? I'm surprised he hasn't fled the country yet.

oh her sure did make it, his voice was cracked, as if he was shouting for a long time, he really looked worried, he did try to compose himself but did not work, not the usual person you used to see b4, nothing of significant, said that he is sad for what happened, he sacked the government, creating a new cabinet, lol, he did not get the message of the people, he said that he gave his orders for the police and the army not to use force, yeh sure, the same rhetoric he always uses, I can't believe this guy, he does not understand or let me say doesn't want to understand that he has to move on and just resign in dignity if he has any left

[Maher]

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/mi...033802146.html

Sounds like he'll flush the toilet but himself remain.

right on the spot

[raptor]

I'm not sure that a US revolution wouldn't lead to a hard line Christian state. Power coalesces around organization. Once the government collapses, the churches remain.

Definitely not here. While the US is more religious compared to Europe there's enough diversity to divide the country before that happens. Consider that the Catholic Church hasn't been a (powerful) political entity for nearly half a millennium, and there is enough disagreement between the many, many Protestant sects that such a coalition would be even more splintered than our present government.

[internope]

I did not say that doesn't work in the US, it is democratic in all means. Egypt and other so called democracies are not, where did you get from my post that I say it did not work for the US?

My apologies. I thought that your post was authored by sgreger, who had made his "America hasn't had a good uprising for a while" post up thread. I need to pay more attention and not let work distract me.

[sgreger1]

I think your right Danielan. Not only that, but let's face it, if we ever overthrow the government it won't be san francisco that does it. The militia types, and those most likely to be owning assault rifles and such are more often than not christians. They would certainly retain control after the government fell because they have the guns. Then, as Danielle pointed out, people would go wherever they felt was safe, wherever others were going. They would go to whoever was already set up to play "leader" and that will be the churches. Churches in this country are currently the backbone of our support system, and they would likely remain so after any revolution. Also, during (and after) revolutions, everyone gets more hardcore about everything, as in people who liked america and were christians may become hardcore nationalists and fundamentalists.

[sgreger1]

I need to pay more attention and not let work distract me.

Lol, yah better get your priorities straight.

[raptor]

But would it be more splintered then the other organizations that might exist after the fall of the government?

According to wikipedia: "According to recent surveys, 83 percent of Americans claim to belong to a religious denomination, 40 percent claim to attend services nearly every week or more, and 59 percent claim to pray at least weekly." (https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._United_States)

That's a big organization. Would they, in a power vacuum, circle the wagons and protect their flocks?

By those statistics I would be one of those 83%, even though I live a very secular life. I can only see some sort of Church domination in very rural areas (just like today's militia presence). Ain't going to happen in the cities.

Ironically, the system sgreger describes is essentially what very conservative Islamic states like Pakistan do today. Local leadership (imam) controlling a town. But our nation, while founded by Christians, doesn't incorporate religious indoctrination into our nationalistic beliefs (unlike Israel).

[sgreger1]

I said it on a previous topic, and I'll say it again here.

The Internet has changed absolutely everything. It's at least as big a game-changer as the printing press, and probably more so--because, despite the efforts of governments, it probably can never be truly controlled.

Expect to see much more of this, especially in the developing world.

By those statistics I would be one of those 83%, even though I live a very secular life. I can only see some sort of Church domination in very rural areas (just like today's militia presence). Ain't going to happen in the cities.

Ironically, the system sgreger describes is essentially what very conservative Islamic states like Pakistan do today. Local leadership (imam) controlling a town. But our nation, while founded by Christians, doesn't incorporate religious indoctrination into our nationalistic beliefs (unlike Israel).

Yes, I imagine it would be very similar to Islamic style, except most people here aren't hard line Christians, so the church would have less control. But you never know, they may convert people.

[sgreger1]

Yes, and Afghanistan is a good example. (Simplistically) there was a power vacuum after the Soviet's left. Religious groups, like the Taliban filled this vacuum, providing food, education, etc to the people. Ultimately, they ended up in political leadership.

Afghanistan is EXACTLY what I picture, except in Afghanistan most people are Islamic. Here our diversity would make it harder to rally the people to do crazy shit in the name of god. We aren't THAT kind of religious over here.

[raptor]

We aren't THAT kind of religious over here.

Well, the ones that are keep pretty quiet.

[sgreger1]

Well, the ones that are keep pretty quiet.

We mostly laugh at them. Look at danielan's statistics. 85% consider themselves christians, but only 59% pray once in any given week? We are christian in name only. The number of christians in America who would blow up a building for god could be counted on one hand. (Well, more than that, but still small in a population of 300 million)

[raptor]

The number of christians in America who would blow up a building for god could be counted on one hand. (Well, more than that, but still small in a population of 300 million)

I'd say considerably more than that. There's been a lot of domestic terrorist acts, a number of abortion clinics.

[Maher]

My apologies. I thought that your post was authored by sgreger, who had made his "America hasn't had a good uprising for a while" post up thread. I need to pay more attention and not let work distract me.

no problem and like segrger said better get your priorities straight lol

[truthwolf1]

Did anybody see this bridge coverage on any mainstream USA news station?

[bipolarbear1968]

You have to understand, these are oppressed youths wanting more freedom.These young Egyptians believed that they have no future under Mubarak. Mubarak doesn't want any political opponents. His *excuse* is he doesn't want radical Islamic trying to take over the country. No wonder he ran the show for so long.

Unlike China, that does equally oppresses citizens, they also allow economic growth. In which Egypt failed upon. Egypt ranks 137th in the world in per-capita income. Not good. The Egyptian system suppresses private economic activity as well as political expression.

China has brought more people out of poverty at a faster rate than any country anywhere in human history. How do they do it? Economic liberty!