A Little Perspective on Health and Wealth Around the World

[tom502]

Why are yellow people smarter? Why do blacks excell in sports?
People are different. But I think it disparring to say oppressors, when referring to whites, I think maybe whites, in general are just more inclined to be ordered and structured with a bit on conquest nature. But I would not say it so badly, because the white ruled nations happen to be the ones all the others want to live in, because they seem to be most productive and socially agreeable. I don't see masses of white Swedes trying to move to Zimbabwe.

[devilock76]

This is getting stupid. When did I "idolize" aparthied? I made an observation that it seemed to produce some better social stability than afterwards, and was "doing better" nationally than it's surrounding nations that did not have this. I also said I did not agree with sepratism of different treatment.

And the term ethnical culture means, perhaps, people(ethnic cultures) may differ from each other in some ways. Their abilities and social ideals may differ. Not that ones is better or worse.

Why do Asians score higher worldwide in eduction? Does race play any role in this?

"Means, perhaps" What you don't know what you are saying. Let me help:

ethnic or ethnical (ˈɛθnɪk) [Click for IPA pronunciation guide]

— adj
1. relating to or characteristic of a human group having racial, religious, linguistic, and certain other traits in common
2. relating to the classification of mankind into groups, esp on the basis of racial characteristics
3. denoting or deriving from the cultural traditions of a group of people: the ethnic dances of Slovakia
4. characteristic of another culture: the ethnic look ; ethnic food

So if you are saying it was not about race, what "ethnical" trait are you using, religion, linguistic, what?

Ken

[sgreger1]

You really going to ask those questions on an oral tobacco, majority American internet forum? lol. just kidding folks.

Did you finish reading "Guns Germs and Steel"? Those theories have been around for a while (see Marvin Harris), but a lot of what he researches and lays out in that book answers your questions to a degree. Tom would do well to read it with his post above. Prehistoric civilizations prospered and expanded wherever ideas and crops and animals could spread across similar latitudes and climate zones (Eurasia). Ideas, crops and animals did not spread easily across longitudes. Africa and North America's north-south alignment put their inhabitants at a disadvantage from the start, and those continents had to wait for the advent of transoceanic travel, at which time of course they were subjugated by centuries of technological advancements... and horses. The domestication of animals is probably the biggest factor of all. Look at what South Africa and all of sub-Saharan Africa had to work with: safari animals. No pigs, no cows, no horses. It's all geographic, as is the reason there are "races" in the first place.

I am so glad you reminded me about that Roo. I put it down a few weeks ago and have completely forgotten about it. That's one of the disadvantages of reading e-books, it's easy to get sidetracked and start reading a different one and forget about the others you havn't finished. I will make it a point to finish it soon though (it's quite a big book lol).


I understand what your saying about geographical advantages, as this is the best explanation of our differences, but that's not really the question I was asking. I am saying that in today's day and age, why is it that I keep seing systems where white people run the place and get filthy rich, while (insert minority here) barely survives. (insert minority here) always blames the white oppressors, my question is: How the **** do white people keep getting into positions of power, even when they are the clear minority. Are white people just bigger dicks or somethign? Are minorities working for equalities while whites are playing to win, I mean I don't get it. Maybe my observation is false, but it seems to be the case. South Africa is a great example of this.


I think maybe it just comes from centuries of colonialism. We have just gotten good at coming into someone elses home and sitting at the end of the table like we run someshit. lol.

[devilock76]

LOL, i'm just messing with you Tom. Don't take it too seriously.

And I don't care if some faceless forum poster thinks i'm racist, because I know I am not. I do hold my own biases, but they hardly amount to "racism", which is stereotyping an entire race based on their skin color alone.

The question I am asking, is why do I keep observing this trend. Are white people just better oppressors or somethign? I don't get it.

The funny thing is I never called him a racist, that is in fact what he called me. I just said he makes some racist statements, and it was about your Shaniqua welfare comment from his thread about losing his job.

I really don't understand his logic pattern.

Ken

[devilock76]

I am so glad you reminded me about that Roo. I put it down a few weeks ago and have completely forgotten about it. That's one of the disadvantages of reading e-books, it's easy to get sidetracked and start reading a different one and forget about the others you havn't finished. I will make it a point to finish it soon though (it's quite a big book lol).


I understand what your saying about geographical advantages, as this is the best explanation of our differences, but that's not really the question I was asking. I am saying that in today's day and age, why is it that I keep seing systems where white people run the place and get filthy rich, while (insert minority here) barely survives. (insert minority here) always blames the white oppressors, my question is: How the **** do white people keep getting into positions of power, even when they are the clear minority. Are white people just bigger dicks or somethign? Are minorities working for equalities while whites are playing to win, I mean I don't get it. Maybe my observation is false, but it seems to be the case. South Africa is a great example of this.


I think maybe it just comes from centuries of colonialism. We have just gotten good at coming into someone elses home and sitting at the end of the table like we run someshit. lol.

What race has amassed the most resources, means of moving said resources, means of communicating sales of the resources, and lastly military might especially in weapon technology.

Pretty much all weapon advancements in the history of the modern world have come from Asians and Europeans.

Ken

[tom502]

Ken- you stated I had racist views, and then later posted- Please cite where I said anything of that nature. The only negative statements I make are towards a racist looney waiting for space nazi's to come rescue him. Incidentally you ever think that all the sites you were browing on Nazi's might have contributed to being fired. Most employers EVERY FREAKING WHERE look down upon such things.

Ken

- Calling me a racist looney. Name calling is juvinile, and you have no facts to back these statements up. Because you levelled a false accusation to me, I did so likewise to you. But I will do this, I apologise for calling you a racist. But, I do believe you have some ingrained far-left racial views, that may be PC, but are incorrect and disparing toward the european ethnicity, and they may be subconscious.

[devilock76]

Ken- you stated I had racist views, and then later posted- Please cite where I said anything of that nature. The only negative statements I make are towards a racist looney waiting for space nazi's to come rescue him. Incidentally you ever think that all the sites you were browing on Nazi's might have contributed to being fired. Most employers EVERY FREAKING WHERE look down upon such things.

Ken

- Calling me a racist looney. Name calling is juvinile, and you have no facts to back these statements up. Because you levelled a false accusation to me, I did so likewise to you. But I will do this, I apologise for calling you a racist. But, I do believe you have some ingrained far-left racial views, that may be PC, but are incorrect and disparing toward the european ethnicity, and they may be subconscious.

Uh wrong thread, do try to keep up.

You know I so rarely post an actual opinion of what I think on things, I just question opinions I find, well frankly hostile towards others. Calling me a left wing, wow, that is funny as I know what party I did not vote for these past few elections.

A tip, people who don't agree with you on something aren't immediately the complete opposite end of the spectrum of every opinion you have ever had or ever will have.

Ken

P.S. I still didn't actually call you anything, I cleverly masked it in the third person, sophomoric I know. I just can't put such theories on the Third Reich on Mars in the realm of any serious discussion, my failing of course.

[tom502]

I'm OK with that. Let's move on.

[devilock76]

I'm OK with that. Let's move on.

Agreed. Have a good day sir.

Ken

[sgreger1]

What race has amassed the most resources, means of moving said resources, means of communicating sales of the resources, and lastly military might especially in weapon technology.

Pretty much all weapon advancements in the history of the modern world have come from Asians and Europeans.

Ken

I think that is probably the correct asnwer. I think that it's kind of like what Roo & the book "Germs/steel etc" are trying to point out: Whites just got settled in first, and that left them time to figure out complicated banking schemes, to build the best armies, to network the most etc. Once europe was the center of the world and the richest, it kind of just spirals from there.



I find racism intiresting. Everyone is biased, especially when it comes to race. The latinos will establish organizations that are in place to promote latino's in science, art, x,y,z etc. This is looked upon as a good thing, and people say "Hey, look, they are looking to better themselves as a group". Then the blacks have entire college courses dedicated to studying their culture, and this is also seen as good; "look, they are learning about their heratige and being proud of their culture!". But what about white people. If I embrace my culture, it's a bad thing, because according to the colleges, white culture is all about dominating weaker people or oppressing someone, or somehow being the bad guy. If I start a club that is identical to the latino one I noted above, it would be seen as racist. "A white organization to promote whites in the fields of science, art, literature etc" sounds inherently racist to most people. What about the "white students union" or the "white pride" club. I mean they are no different than the asian pride club or the latino students union, but just because it has the word "white" in it, it suddenly becomes bad. Colleges won't allow it and anything white kids do to come together as a group is always seen as racist. Even if a group of white people come together to hate on the president, it is surely seen as racist.

Racism makes no sense, but I do find that those who claim to be oppressed seem to be the biggest racists. In my opinion, the latino clubs in colleges or the "black studies" teachers are always the most racist hatefull people. I mean look at laraza or the blakc panthers. These are not groups out there to do good, they are there to make their race the dominant ones and to slander everyone else.

America is filled with racism, but in my opinion whites makes up the smallest amount. Of all the organizations making racist comments, it appears that the minority ones seem to consistently be the biggest perpetrators. I mean really, white people have the KKK, but they are all but irrelevant nowadays. The latinos have many racist organizations aimed at killing "the weak white people" as they put it, and taking over the country, and the black panthers are more active today than ever (calling for the murder of white babies etc just like they always have). We are even in such a backwards country to the point where groups like the black panthers are seen as (ironically) civil rights groups, and yet the KKK is evil, even though they are essentially the same thing. (Well, the black panthers are more active and have the support of the government, the president, the court systems and the general public, but their racism isn't any more acceptable in my book.)



I think tom is a byproduct of this. He is bringing the extremism back in their face. All day whites are subjected to racism from many other races, and we are painted in the school system as the most evil of all humans. Most of our modern problems are blamed directly on white people, and most conspiracies involve white or jewish (also white) leaders. We have organizations that campaign openly on the streets for the murdering of white people, and yet I don't hear shit from anyone, but if some redneck in po-dunk alabama makes some comment on the internet, suddenly it becomes a media sensation.







Why? Why is it that race has become such a one sided issue. Why is it that the school always teach that the whites are the worst oppressors and the most evil tyrants. Why do we not embrace our differences.

[devilock76]

I don't ever see racism ending, not in my lifetime. We are too visual and once we see the difference between person A and B our poor ability to handle causality does the rest. Until we all become color blind en masse or enough miscegenation occurs that there is no pure blood of any race or ethnic group we will be divided by these differences.

In America there is a huge double standard. I think what would be an interesting protest of that double standard would be if white people started flooding organizations like the NAACP and the Black Panthers or New Black Panthers with requests for membership. If they are accepted, well that will be its own turmoil and unlikely at first, but when they are refused flood the system with discrimination law suits. In order for something like that to really have an impact it would need to be done by hundreds of thousands minimum nation wide.

Ken

[sgreger1]

Yah, I think it's just human nature to be skeptical of everything that isn't like you. I don't think that is always a bad thing either. It becomes bad when instinctual survival techniques turn into hatred for your felow man. As my signature says, be kind, for everyone is fighting a great battle.

I, for example, detest everything I assume to be muslim/middle eastern in nature. I am, however, aware that much of that is a cultural issue (as in; I don't understand why they do what they do, and to me they seem "backwards in some ways), and much of that is a byproduct of decades of US government propaganda which has increased in recent years. So while I identify them as different, and I generally tend to stereotype them in a certain light, you will never find me being offensive to someone just because of their race or creed. I always give everyone the benefit of the doubt when i interact with them, even though I (like all humans), have my own biases.



I don't think racism will ever end, or at least not until the human species evolves again. In our current incarnation we are burdened by lots of ingrained survival techniques which we obtained from hundreds of thousands of years living in the jungle. Most of us don't realize these processes are being executed byour brains, but they are. But just like we as a culture decide it's not cool to murder or steal shit, I think we also try our best to not let our biases get in the way. Then again, these things are engrained pretty deeply into our being much of the time, especially if we live in a region or under a government who promotes it.

[lxskllr]

I don't like anything, or anyone. Some groups of people/religion/cultures I dislike/distrust more than others, but I take every individual on an individual basis. I'm racist, and I'm happy that way, but it doesn't affect my day to day interactions with people. I'm just as likely to dislike you if you watch NASCAR as I would if you were black, or Muslim. It's up to you to prove me wrong when we meet :^)

[lxskllr]

[Roo]

Why are yellow people smarter? Why do blacks excell in sports?
People are different. But I think it disparring to say oppressors, when referring to whites, I think maybe whites, in general are just more inclined to be ordered and structured with a bit on conquest nature. But I would not say it so badly, because the white ruled nations happen to be the ones all the others want to live in, because they seem to be most productive and socially agreeable. I don't see masses of white Swedes trying to move to Zimbabwe.

I really wanted to stop posting at all today what with the ridiculous back-and-forth dialog in several threads and how it goes nowhere, but this place is worse off than I thought so here's some more Roo vomit for y'all.

Tom, and sgreger too: "why are yellow people smarter"? How long will it take to figure out this sentiment is drawn from your own personal experiences here in the USA dealing with predominantly Japanese immigrants and their self-imposed higher standards of education? I know what you mean Tom, I suppose, but you can't get away with typing "why are yellow people smarter"... knowing that you mean Asians and that you were being cheeky, and having lived in and traveled extensively around Asia, rest assured they are not smarter. The stereotype comes from hard-working Asian families who value education over everything else as a tool to get ahead on us whities. The fact that I have to point out that Asians are not in fact "smarter" is disturbing.

As for "black excelling at sports" consider the fact that Africa (the context here is a very long period of time, not post-slavery) has the greatest genetic diversity found among humans -- another indication of our origins there -- and they have also led a hunter-gatherer lifestyle (as a measure of commonality across a wide diaspora of human beings) for far longer than any other population with as deep of a genetic pool... no wonder some of these people and their direct genetic descendants emerge as particularly adept runners and jumpers. Stock like me and you have adapted to millenia of lazily chasing livestock across vast pastures and up and down hills and valleys in the rain. This makes for a stout and hearty stature. Anyone who wonders why "blacks" are "better" at athletics should consider how well a Nigerian or Kenyan would fare in a mountain climbing endeavor, and pay attention to how well tall East Africans in particular do in a marathon compared to you.

All this talk about race is ridiculous to me. Call me that liberal that you want to. All I know is that I have educated myself to understand the difference between "races" and why they exist in the first place. I suggest you do the same. It's interesting shit.

I also have to comment on "the white ruled nations are the ones all the others want to live in". You are forgetting your spiritual roots my friend. Before aliens. Look to Asia -- East Asia, South Asia, anywhere in Asia, never mind Africa for the moment. You think all those people want to move here? If you do, then you need to get out and talk to them. Because, well, they don't. I don't suppose I need to list other examples of where and when it's no fun to live in a "white ruled nation". That quote is straight up white power, and I, for one, think you should be ashamed of it. 'Nuff said I guess. To each their own.

I was hoping to not get drawn into this "racist" debate, but a couple shots and half a beer later, there I go.