War? South & North Korea fire artillery shells, houses ablaze

[Frosted]

If the DPRK has a usable nuke, then if they are attacked, their best tactic would be to sink Japan, and roast S.Korea. Militarily of course the US with it's billions of war funds and 1000's of stockpiled nukes would "beat them", just as a Brock Lesner would beat Paris Hilton in a fight. But is it fair? I think it's cheating, but that's how the US won all it's battles. A smaller nation having a nuke makes a superpower world bully less inclined to agitate it too much.

You're spot on there Tom.
Disputed areas like this border area are always catalysts to war. Whether or not it'll go to this we'll see.
If it goes to war, North Korea will fight and the fight will be bloody on all sides. The only problem with a country as nutty as North Korea is that if their backs are against the wall and they know they're losing they'll definately launch a nuke at Japan which is a great ally these days to you lot and of course they'll do one at Seoul.

Japan and Korea have a long and bloody history which isn't forgotten today which is why Japan is on full alert. They absoloutely despise each other.

[sgreger1]

If the DPRK has a usable nuke, then if they are attacked, their best tactic would be to sink Japan, and roast S.Korea. Militarily of course the US with it's billions of war funds and 1000's of stockpiled nukes would "beat them", just as a Brock Lesner would beat Paris Hilton in a fight. But is it fair? I think it's cheating, but that's how the US won all it's battles. A smaller nation having a nuke makes a superpower world bully less inclined to agitate it too much.

Fair? Cheating?

Rofl @ that. Having bigger guns and larger muscles leads to victory. It is not cheating, it is how the outcome of warfare is determined. They think it's such a big accomplishment to be able to have a nuke (but not the tech to send it anywhere), meanwhile we did that back in the 50's and are now the world superpower, with entire warehouses stacked to the ceiling with nukes. I reaffirm my assertion that the DPRK is not a threat to anything but itself and it's neighbor whom they constantly harras. They ar elike Israel, always disputing the border and trying to push it more to their advantage, while randomly shelling the local civilians every now and again.

[sgreger1]

You're spot on there Tom.
Disputed areas like this border area are always catalysts to war. Whether or not it'll go to this we'll see.
If it goes to war, North Korea will fight and the fight will be bloody on all sides. The only problem with a country as nutty as North Korea is that if their backs are against the wall and they know they're losing they'll definately launch a nuke at Japan which is a great ally these days to you lot and of course they'll do one at Seoul.

Japan and Korea have a long and bloody history which isn't forgotten today which is why Japan is on full alert. They absoloutely despise each other.

The only angle N Korea has going for it is the same angle a bum holding a broken glass bottle and threatening to stab you has. You can't apply normal techniques to aleviating the situation because your opponent is BAT SHIAT CRAZY, and it is therefore hard to determine his next move.


Guys, really, N Korea is not going to nuke Japan. They are not. Their nuke capabilities would be destroyed in a matter of days or weeks, and from that point forward they have no way to hurt anyone. We also have missile defense tech that is state of the art, and the ability to intercept an ICBM nuke with various methods.

Don't let this keep you up at night kids, it's not a real problem and there is nothing to fear.

[truthwolf1]

If they have already deployed some bio/anthrax, (bleed from your eye's virus bombs) from skipping over the Arizona border some Friday night is my worry.

Really, all these rogue nations have to do is plant a number of sleepers as bargaining chips for us not to blow them away.
You take off the sanctions, increase our aid or we take out 40,000 citizens in the city we choose.

[tom502]

We can't forget China in this. DPRK may be China's mischeivious step child, but any military attack on them, will definately get a reaction from them, we would not want.

[truthwolf1]

We can't forget China in this. DPRK may be China's mischeivious step child, but any military attack on them, will definately get a reaction from them, we would not want.

North Korea is China's Israel.

[sgreger1]

We can't forget China in this. DPRK may be China's mischeivious step child, but any military attack on them, will definately get a reaction from them, we would not want.

This is business. If you think China would destroy itself by attacking the US, you are wrong. They would chose us over DPRK any day, we are their entire economy. Without US they would collapse over night. They will choose the security and prosperity of their nation over N Korea and it's drama.

[truthwolf1]

This is business. If you think China would destroy itself by attacking the US, you are wrong. They would chose us over DPRK any day, we are their entire economy. Without US they would collapse over night. They will choose the security and prosperity of their nation over N Korea and it's drama.

I think this will all be in the Red Dawn 2 movie.

[tom502]

This is business. If you think China would destroy itself by attacking the US, you are wrong. They would chose us over DPRK any day, we are their entire economy. Without US they would collapse over night. They will choose the security and prosperity of their nation over N Korea and it's drama.

What? They would destroy us. And they are our economy. They practically own the US.

[sgreger1]

What? They would destroy us. And they are our economy. They practically own the US.

It's a symbiotic relationship Tom. That was the whole grand achievment of interlocking economies, they do not have reason to go to war with each other, because each would fail without the other.

We can't attack them because it would be bad for business, and they cna't attack us because it would be bad for business. They own US treasuries, which in the event of a war would be worthless. it's fake digital currency, we could easily say "we won't pay it back". Meanwhile, if the US stops buying things from their country, they would suffer immediately.

Therefore, their choice is either martyr their country by dying to defend N. Korea, or throw their annoying little brother under the bus and continue to get rich off Americans. Which do you think they willl chose?

[sgreger1]

Then again, they need a big event to change public opinion. Obama is tanking too quickly for them to finish their agenda, he's down to a new low of 39% after only 2 years, and has bee on a steady decline ever since he took office, with his policies less and less popular every day.


OBAMA REACHES NEW LOW: 60% DISSAPROVE, 39% APPROVE

And 7 in 10 likely voters say the country is on the wrong track.

Perhaps most ominous for the president is that he's now losing support among his own party people. His approval dropped nearly 10% in just one week, from 78% down to 72% in Zogby's latest read.

Obama, John Zogby writes, "is failing to please more than one-fourth of his own party’s voters. This is a perilous position for the President.


Bush went from the 90's to somewhere in the 20's after 8 years, Obama's gone from like 80 to 39% approval in 22 months, but it's still early in the game. Only time will tell.

[tom502]

I don't agree with your China scenario. China has been around for 1000's of years before the US, and will be around when the US is just a desolate desert of Soylent Green.

[sgreger1]

I don't agree with your China scenario. China has been around for 1000's of years before the US, and will be around when the US is just a desolate desert of Soylent Green.

Tom, if they attakced us and we decided to not buy their products, they would have no food to feed the soldiers, nor money to pay them, no oil for the tanks (we control that racket), no steele for their buildings, no rubber for their vehicles. And that's all before they have to actually fight our military. They could not go to war with us without sustaining devastating losses. This is why they will not throw it all away over DPRK. The Chinese are businessmen, and throwing the US under the bus would be bad for business. Our economies are too intertwined.



As for the long term fate of the opposing empires, who knows? But as far as this decision at this point in time, the Chinese will not choose defeat just to help the DPRK.

[Frosted]

You're very gung ho about all this Sgreger.
The U.S. would most definately take a serious kicking if a war broke out. Yeah, you'd win but with a huge casualty rate - nothing like the death rate of Iraq or Afghanistan which has been really low. 2 million people were killed in total in the Korean civil war.
Also - ok, the U.S could take down a nuke - if the sytems actually work on the day but does the world really need or want to see a nuke launched - at all. I wouldn't put anything past these fruit cakes.
I'm not saying this is going to be a Vietnam but knowing the land in Korea, it's a bugger to fight through.
Yes you've got the air power, but so do they. You've got to win that battle first as you well know.

[tom502]

If we didn't buy their stuff, we'd have no TVs, no computers, no plates and forks, no toys, no printers, no cameras, we would be reduced to The Road Warrior. And we'd have no Walmarts and stores to sell their stuff, so we'd have almost 100 percent unemployment.