I finally ordered an electronic cigarette

[tom502]

I quit regular smoking years ago, and have no urge to return. My wife is a non-smoker, and we have a non-smoker home. I have no interest either of smoking real cigs. I bought a pack of Camel non-filters on a whim a few months back, I think I smoked 2 and threw them away. I personally do not feel addicted to smoking at all.

Now to try this Skoal Apple I've never had before.

[snusgetter]

Well, I just got it for something to mess with, not that it will satisfy my nicotine desires, heck, I use snus, dip, chew and snuff anyway. I guess I'll be a quad-user. I do like the idea to sit in the house(our non-smoking house) and puff on an e-cig.

Got the battery thing attached to the charger, attached to the usb, and says it takes about 3 hours for initial charge, or till the light changes from red to green.

"Another 'new' toy for the boys..
Gotta have them their gadgets!!"
she says plaintively.


Seriously, I'd only consider one to use where I can wave it around
(like at the mall or movie theater) and get a ruckus going with the
No-Tobacky crowd.

Be nice if you could buy a single-use e-cig at a fairly cheap
throwaway price. The maintenance alone on these
things is like having to maintain a Windows PC!!?!!
Life is too short for more inconveniences.

[tom502]

They had single disposable ones for $10, said to last up to 3 packs worth. I almost got one of those instead. I just noticed the green light on my charger, so I took it off, but I just threw in the Skoal Apple, so it'll have to wait.

[jagmanss]

"Another 'new' toy for the boys..
Gotta have them their gadgets!!"
she says plaintively.


Seriously, I'd only consider one to use where I can wave it around
(like at the mall or movie theater) and get a ruckus going with the
No-Tobacky crowd.

Be nice if you could buy a single-use e-cig at a fairly cheap
throwaway price. The maintenance alone on these
things is like having to maintain a Windows PC!!?!!
Life is too short for more inconveniences.

Bad Boys!! Bad Boys!! What Ya Gonna Do!! What Ya Gonna Do!! When they Come For You!! Ha Ha

[tom502]

OK, I got it together and have taken a few hits off it. I've never been a power inhaler, so it took a little bit to get going. But it seems to be working fine. I get a good vapor amount, taste is ok, cigaretty. I think I feel an effect off it. It seems OK. But for one not used to one, I think it takes some getting used to.

[devilock76]

OK, I got it together and have taken a few hits off it. I've never been a power inhaler, so it took a little bit to get going. But it seems to be working fine. I get a good vapor amount, taste is ok, cigaretty. I think I feel an effect off it. It seems OK. But for one not used to one, I think it takes some getting used to.

They can't all be radionics devices!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Ken

[tom502]

Yeah, this ain't bad. I've read a few negative things about their durability and construction, and fiddlyness. This one doesn't seem to have much fiddleyness, because the atomizer and cartridge thing is all one piece and ready to use. As far as durability and surdiness goes, I don't know. But I figure if it died on me after 3 weeks, it was still worth it.

[devilock76]

Yeah, this ain't bad. I've read a few negative things about their durability and construction, and fiddlyness. This one doesn't seem to have much fiddleyness, because the atomizer and cartridge thing is all one piece and ready to use. As far as durability and surdiness goes, I don't know. But I figure if it died on me after 3 weeks, it was still worth it.

You said it was $25. I can see that. I am actually debating trying one more seriously for those times when I might smoke now. I mean just to give in less on the occasion stuff. The best thing about snus and snuf is I became something I never thought I would be. A social smoker.

Ken

[tom502]

I'm glad I got it. It's neat. I don't know if it'd been just as good to get the disposable, but then with this one I got, I can get refills. But I'm not a heavy smoker, so I guess that means what I have will last longer. I'd rather have a snus or dip really. The one thing I wish was better, was it being lighter, it's a little too heavy to just hang from your lip.

[TheJanitor]

Save your money on these POS's.You get little to no nic absorption and it can get VERY expensive.Your e-cigs will fail,much sooner than what is acceptable.Extensive maintenance,buying replacement parts,cleaning atty's,dead batteries.Plus I always felt kinda stupid sucking on one of these in public,mostly bc it does look stupid.Was on these (ALL models) on and off for over a year.Snus,even now,is much cheaper in the short and long term and e-cigs been out only 4-5 years so there is no telling what inhaling all that shit which was never meant to be vaporized into the lungs will do to you long term.In short,they're a hassle,they're expensive,and could possibly have some serious health consequences down the road.Plus,if you're looking into these for nicotine replacement don't even bother.I would chain-vape the highest strength liquid available and got more nic from a general white portion.So,when it comes to the upsides of using e-cigs,there are none.

[tom502]

I think $10 - $25 is not expensive. And the look and style of it doesn't look stupid to me. And I didn't get it to replace other tobacco items. I just got it for something to do, something different. If it dies on me after a few week, I still think it would be worth $25.

Now when they 1st came out, I didn't buy one because they were expensive, over $100 often. But when I saw this for $25, I thought what the heck. Plus this model is very simple with no having to mess with liquid and stuff.

As far as it's "safety", what I have read from people who should be in the know, or more so than just anyone, is people like Dr. Rodu, who I believe stated positive comments about the e-cig:

BOSTON, July 27 (2009) /Standard Newswire /-- The FDA recently went public with misleading information about the safety of electronic cigarettes and the marketing of the devices, not only using its clout but recruiting other prominent organizations to demonize a product that has great public health benefit potential.

A group of prominent doctors and tobacco researchers, including Dr. Michael Siegel at the Boston University School of Public Health, Dr. Joel Nitzkin of the AAPHP Tobacco Control Task Force, and Dr. Brad Rodu, Endowed Chair, Tobacco Har m Reduction Research University of Louisville, challenge the FDA to provide the full quantitative data of the study upon which the FDA has based its warning against electronic cigarettes. They are concerned that the FDA’s disingenuous targeting of electronic cigarettes through a biased presentation of the scientific data has had significant negative impact upon the public perception of electronic cigarettes, when the best available evidence suggests that these have shown that the devices offer great potential to reduce serious health issues among tobacco smokers.

In a July 22 news release, the FDA cited the detectable presence of carcinogens and “toxic chemicals” in a “small sample” of electronic cigarette cartridges as reason for alarm, singling out nitrosamines as particularly toxic. What the FDA fails to inform the public is that detectable amounts of carcinogens are also present in nicotine replacement products such as NicoDerm CQ and Nicorette gum, both approved by the FDA, and nitrosamines that can be also found in food items such (as) bacon and beer. This double standard and alarmist attitude has had the significant and u nfortunate effect of inducing hysteria among the public, discouraging tobacco smokers from using a product which is thought to be a significantly safer alternative to traditional tobacco.

Regrettably, the FDA has used biased reporting of this small and inconclusive study, the complete results of which have not been made public, to secure the vocal support of groups such as the American Academy of Pediatrics Tobacco Consortium, the Institute for Global Health, and the American Lung Association in their attack on electronic cigarettes. These researchers argue that it is absurd to consider taking electronic cigarettes off the market when it is the conventional ones which have been shown to be killing people. Further, the electronic cigarette community calls for accurate and fair reporting relative to the findings and statements of prominent medical professionals in favor of this new and important technology and challenges the media to tell the other side of the story.

9 CThe FDA’s laboratory findings actually indicate that electronic cigarettes are much, much safer than conventional cigarettes,” says Dr. Michael Siegel. The traces of carcinogens present are also present in nicotine replacement products. The FDA and the anti-smoking groups have fallen into a huge analytical trap as they have failed to ask the appropriate question. The question they are asking as: ‘Are electronic cigarettes safe?’ That is not the right question. The right question is: ‘Are electronic cigarettes much safer than traditional ones?’”

Dr. Rodu states, “The FDA tested e-cigarettes for TSNAs using a questionable sampling regimen, and the methods that were so sensitive that the results may have no possible significance to users. The agency failed to report specific levels of these contaminants, and it has failed to conduct similar testing of nicotine medicines that have been sold in the U.S. for over 20 years. These are not the actions of an agency that is science-based and consumer-focused. These pseudo-scientific actions are clearly intended to form the justification for banning a category of products that are probably 99.9% safer than cigarettes.”

Dr. Joel Nitzkin speaking as individual states, “The newly adopted FDA/Tobacco legislation will give full FDA approval to currently marketed conventional cigarettes. The new law encourages cigarette companies to produce new “reduced exposure” cigarettes to be marketed as reduced exposure products, with no scientific evidence that such reductions in exposure will reduce risk of future tobacco related illness and death. In the context of these provisions of the newly adopted FDA/Tobacco bill – should be encouraging, not maligning the manufacture and sale of electronic cigarettes, and working with manufacturers to assure the highest possible quality control.”

[TheJanitor]

more power to ya dude,just trying to look out for people on here.they are simply too new too conclusively say they are safer,it's possible inhaling large amounts of pg/vg in the long term could be just as damaging as tobacco smoke as these were never meant or approved to be used for inhalation.plus there are many studies showing they deliver little to no nicotine,so why even risk it?

[snusgetter]

Save your money on these POS's.You get little to no nic absorption and it can get VERY expensive.Your e-cigs will fail,much sooner than what is acceptable.Extensive maintenance,buying replacement parts,cleaning atty's,dead batteries.Plus I always felt kinda stupid sucking on one of these in public,mostly bc it does look stupid.Was on these (ALL models) on and off for over a year.Snus,even now,is much cheaper in the short and long term and e-cigs been out only 4-5 years so there is no telling what inhaling all that shit which was never meant to be vaporized into the lungs will do to you long term.In short,they're a hassle,they're expensive,and could possibly have some serious health consequences down the road.Plus,if you're looking into these for nicotine replacement don't even bother.I would chain-vape the highest strength liquid available and got more nic from a general white portion.So,when it comes to the upsides of using e-cigs,there are none.

I do believe you're onto something here.

But more than anything, to me, they seem to be a major pain in the ass.
I'm retired with much time on my hands but fiddle-****ing around with
these things just doesn't compute.... unless you want to bust balls when
you're out-and-about and get the no-tobacky nazis riled up. Especially if
you get them believing you're literally blowing smoke up their asses.

Plus, 25 bucks can get you about half a roll of cheap snus, 5 large tins of
Toque Christmas Pudding, or a ten-pack of miscellaneous Toque snuff.



Or you can get ............ ah, never mind!!

[tom502]

Eh, maybe. But people have used them now for a long time(years). But I'm personally only using it now and then. I do think they have improved since they first came out.

[precious007]

If you're to quit smoking I'd recommend snus.

Not sure if e-cigs are that effective to be honest. (I haven't tried them) but tried everything else that's out there.

In means of tobacco I've tried EVERYTHING ..

I even have a nice hokaah which happens to be a very rare habit of mine because it makes me feel dizzy like hell. (I bought it once when I was trying to quit)

Snus helped me quit