Liquid nicotine: Just a teaspoon could kill

[piks101]

The dose makes the poison. Does everyone recall the radio promotion where they had a contest to see who could drink the most water to win a Wii gaming system? Well one contestant died from drinking too much water. "Water intoxication can happen when the body's normal balance is altered by a rapid intake of water. The brain can swell, so it no longer regulates breathing".

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2xNIFzGA6

[Frankie Reloaded]

There was one using them back when I vaped. Totally Wicked or something like that, with a devil for logo.

[dupee419]

interestingly I've only found one company that bothers putting a childproof cap on bottles of nicquid. Seems like common sense to me, but I hear common sense is getting to be an uncommon things these days.

[Frankie Reloaded]

@Thunder_Snus: I think the trick was in not inhaling at first. We were basically playing at being adults. I don´t know. It´s just what it was like - a packet of 10 unfiltered cigs costing exactly like one small cone of ice cream

[Crow]

I'm all for regulation of electronic cigarettes and e-liquid, but I know that banning flavoured liquid will become a focal point in discussions (and I'm not for that at all).

Even with a ban on flavoured juices, it's not going to stop people from purchasing their flavourings separately from the e-liquid. So I suppose it's moot (except for the e-liquid producers perhaps, but I really see it as a manageable hinderance at worst). One could argue that it would be a pain in the arse for the consumer too (as they would have to flavour their juice themselves), I would have to agree. But really, at the end of the day, it's just one added step to the process.

[Thunder_Snus]

@Thunder_Snus: Really? Just tearing a filter off? The cigarettes I (and everyone of my generation I know of) started with were filterless. Much, much cheaper

I remember my dad told me about when he couldn't get any cigs in high school once and stole a camel unfiltered from my grandpa and basically got high from it. I'm not sure how anyone could start smoking with filterless cigarettes....those are tough even on a regular smoker let alone as something to start out with

[Skell18]

^
Over here the filter cigarettes (at least where I live) were the same price as the filterless. Just guessing, I'd say the filters out sell the filterless at least 10 to 1. Probably 30 to 1.

I think frankie is talking about the bygone time when all you could get were unfiltered

[trebli]

^
Over here the filter cigarettes (at least where I live) were the same price as the filterless. Just guessing, I'd say the filters out sell the filterless at least 10 to 1. Probably 30 to 1.

[Frankie Reloaded]

@Thunder_Snus: Really? Just tearing a filter off? The cigarettes I (and everyone of my generation I know of) started with were filterless. Much, much cheaper

[QuincyBaker]

I mostly just assume most news stories are always exaggerations or just downright lies.

[Thunder_Snus]

If you want a totally unregulated free market then you get these kinds of issues and the outcome is never usually the best in terms of public health because the company wants to make as large a profit as possible.

If you want a completely unregulated free media then they will report on anything that lots of people find fascinating because it will drive up TV ratings and newspaper sales.

If, on the other hand, like me, you believe that human beings are fundamentally flawed and will not always do the right thing given free choice - then you need a government of some sort to intervene and create a framework to allow the right actions to be taken in the interests of the majority. And luckily that's what most of us have in the west.

I'm not saying that you can prevent every accidental death through legislation ... I'm not saying that people shouldn't be responsible for their own actions ... I'm saying that companies have recently started marketing a liquid in attractive fruity flavours that has the potential to do as much damage if ingested as a whole bottle of paracetamol ... and I'm saying that it should be subject to the same regulations as applies to the pharmaceutical drug.

If the companies making these e-liquids had been responsible in the first place then there would be no chance of any media storm happening.

I agree. Government is needed everywhere. When people here in the U.S go all rebel flag and say they are taking our freedoms away I tell them to move to Somalia.....a truly free country. Without making another long post I guess my overall point is......isn't there a lot bigger things going on right now that could be reported on other than the continuous war against tobacco, especially for a product that as far as i know is safer than actual cigarettes? Sure mandate that all this stuff has a child-lock on it that seems obvious, I am just tired of all of these news articles trying to stir up another storm

[QuincyBaker]

All my medicines are kept in a combination lock cash box and I'm even checking that now and again to make sure the numbers aren't close to the combination.

I do this as well. I have a 5 year old and a 6 month old. They both like getting into things. Some people think I'm being paranoid, but I think I'm being safe.

[Frosted]

I wouldn't be at all comfortable having e liquid in my house. Snus is fine because if my kids ever did take one, which they wouldn't as they're not at all interested in it, it would just make them sick and hopefully put them off doing it again. I'd be constantly terrified with e liquid so I just wouldn't have it around. It's just not worth the risk.
All my medicines are kept in a combination lock cash box and I'm even checking that now and again to make sure the numbers aren't close to the combination.

[QuincyBaker]

There are a lot of crappy people out there.

With the increasing popularity and availability of e-cigarettes, some pretty terrible parents will have nicotine liquid lying around. I'm sure there are lots of people that wouldn't even think it could be dangerous to kids or animals; even to other adults.

I just think there should be standards. I'm happy there are quality, safety, and manufacturing standards in the snus industry. I know what's in my snus, and I like that. Some manufacturers make a great product because they really want to, but I'm sure there have been snus makers before that would cut every corner possible of they could.
Some e-liquid manufacturers already list ingredients and use child safety bottles. But of course not everyone would. I mean, a company could throw lead into a bottle, and there's nothing to stop them from that right now.

Requiring food grade additives, or whatever else that's safe for human consumption, and safety bottles.

But I still think e-liquid would be labeled dangerous by the media with a story like "E-Cigarettes. Is there a killer hiding in your own home?!" That'll happen whether safety standards/laws exist or not.

[squeezyjohn]

If you want a totally unregulated free market then you get these kinds of issues and the outcome is never usually the best in terms of public health because the company wants to make as large a profit as possible.

If you want a completely unregulated free media then they will report on anything that lots of people find fascinating because it will drive up TV ratings and newspaper sales.

If, on the other hand, like me, you believe that human beings are fundamentally flawed and will not always do the right thing given free choice - then you need a government of some sort to intervene and create a framework to allow the right actions to be taken in the interests of the majority. And luckily that's what most of us have in the west.

I'm not saying that you can prevent every accidental death through legislation ... I'm not saying that people shouldn't be responsible for their own actions ... I'm saying that companies have recently started marketing a liquid in attractive fruity flavours that has the potential to do as much damage if ingested as a whole bottle of paracetamol ... and I'm saying that it should be subject to the same regulations as applies to the pharmaceutical drug.

If the companies making these e-liquids had been responsible in the first place then there would be no chance of any media storm happening.