The Assault On E-Cigs Accelerates

[Mroe]

The regulation needed is what the Swedes have done for snus - do it like a food product.
I'm in the small minority that thinks minors should be able to buy e-cigs. Most minors can get real cigs without too much trouble - better that they start with something less harmful if they are going to start using nicotine. I would also support snus sales to minors, though I think e-cigs are probably less addictive then snus because of the alkaloids in snus.

As for regulating nicotine: I don't really see the point. Sure, it's poisonous, but there's tons of worse stuff you can get through the mail. I'm all for slapping a proper warning label on it (actually on all nicotine liquids), but anything beyond that seems silly. The exception I might make would be anything purer then 100mg/ml - but that's hard to find. Most suppliers already refuse to sell concentrations over 100mg/ml to anyone that isn't a professional mixer, but if you know where to look there are still a couple places you can get 1000mg/ml - which can knock you silly with just the fumes from opening the bottle.

Actually, I can get down with minors being able to purchase ready-made nicotine-containing products, too. I just don't think it's in the realm of things that are bound to happen at this point. That said, the thought of some 15-year-old buying 100mg/ml nicotine liquid and going "this seems like a great way to get FURKED URP" and slamming a shot of it terrifies me. I've known 15-year-olds to do similarly stupid things. I also don't think it's a great idea for vaping retailers to blatantly ignore existing laws. Doesn't help the cause at all.

[evilfrog]

The regulation needed is what the Swedes have done for snus - do it like a food product.
I'm in the small minority that thinks minors should be able to buy e-cigs. Most minors can get real cigs without too much trouble - better that they start with something less harmful if they are going to start using nicotine. I would also support snus sales to minors, though I think e-cigs are probably less addictive then snus because of the alkaloids in snus.

As for regulating nicotine: I don't really see the point. Sure, it's poisonous, but there's tons of worse stuff you can get through the mail. I'm all for slapping a proper warning label on it (actually on all nicotine liquids), but anything beyond that seems silly. The exception I might make would be anything purer then 100mg/ml - but that's hard to find. Most suppliers already refuse to sell concentrations over 100mg/ml to anyone that isn't a professional mixer, but if you know where to look there are still a couple places you can get 1000mg/ml - which can knock you silly with just the fumes from opening the bottle.

[Mroe]

To be fair, some amount of regulation in the e-cig industry might not be terrible. I never get IDed walking into my local vape shop, nor has anyone I've asked who has gone there. Don't get me started on bathtub/kitchen sink e-liquid manufacturing...

Anyway, how is the FDA going to ban the kanthal wire one can easily use to make one's own atomizers? Batteries? Propylene glycol? Vegetable glycerin? Food-grade flavorings? The only possible outcome would be tighter regulations on the pharmaceutical-grade nicotine itself, and I can't see the argument that restricting the purchase of nicotine USP to consumers of legal age could be a bad thing.

[trebli]

Congress Is Coming for E-Cigarettes



“A coalition of lawmakers have set their sights on e-cigarettes and have, in a new report, asked the Food and Drug Administration to impose cigarette-like restrictions on them as soon as possible.


E-cigarette companies aren’t required to comply with any of the rules that traditional tobacco companies are. And they’re certainly benefiting from it. There are e-cigs called “Cherry Crush,” “Vivid Vanilla,” “Pineapple Luau,” and “Vanilla Mist.”


It’s looking like e-cigarettes’ regulation-free honeymoon period is probably coming to an end; Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio), one of the lawmakers who commissioned the report, said that the report “is further evidence that the administration must act quickly to regulate electronic cigarettes … Big Tobacco can create new products with a fresh new image, but its goal remains the same: to market addictive—and harmful—products to children.”


http://motherboard.vice.com/read/con...r-e-cigarettes

[trebli]

Corte Madera Votes To Ban Smoking, E-Cigarette Use In Multifamily Housing Units

“Corte Madera isn't the first community to ban e-cigarette use. Last month, Los Angeles joined New York, Boston and Chicago in restricting the use of e-cigarettes in restaurants, bars, nightclubs and other public spaces.


According to the nonprofit American Nonsmokers Rights Foundation in Berkeley, nearly 140 cities and counties in the United States have placed restrictions on e-smoking, including Fairfax, Mill Valley and Tiburon. All of these local ordinances don't specifically address e-cigarettes, but do reference "tobacco-like" products such as hookah or any other device containing tobacco.


Anyone caught in violation of the ordinance is subject to a $100 fine. If the town chooses to bring a civil action against a property owner, the fine could range from $250 to $1,000.


Bob Curry, director of the Marin County Tobacco Control Program, said the program will continue to assist communities such as Corte Madera in educating landlords and the public about the new ordinance.”


Councilwoman Carla Condon

[trebli]

^
Good post. Thanks!

[evilfrog]

Once I saw Glantz was in the news report I turned it off - he's well known as a fanatical anti-ecig campaigner willing to say anything.
Most studies show ecigs to be likely 100 times safer then smokes at a minimum.

I don't worry too much about these reports or what the government will do as far as my personal use goes - I have enough equipment to last several years (maybe a couple decades) and enough knowledge to keep me vaping indefinitely - but a lot of the recently proposed legislation will kill a lot of other people if it gets passed.

For some people, fighting nicotine has become a religious crusade, making them immune to reason. It's a pity, and they aren't going to stop until the public gets correct information and inures itself to the sight of people vaping... could take months, years, or decades.

[alopezg1]

Yes. It seems to me highly unlikely that e cigs are good for you, but they should be a great deal less harmful than a tobacco cigarette.
I think also in regards to the metals the smaller the particles the more dangerous it is as they get deep into your respiratory system

[Thunder_Snus]

Just a word on breathing in metals. It's probably not totally harmless but i worked in a metal fabrication shop for 2 years.......every day I could wipe out the inside of my nose and it would be caked in layers of powdered metal.....never seemed to do me any harm that i could tell.

[alopezg1]

Apparently I am a senior member now..... must have to much time on my hands

[alopezg1]

Wow . One hell of a face

[trebli]

Democrats Increase Pressure To Regulate E-Cigarettes



“Congressional Democrats rekindled their attacks on the e-cigarette industry Monday, releasing a new report they say shows that the industry is targeting young people with flavored e-cigarettes and social marketing campaigns.


Sen. Dick Durbin,, D-Ill., called e-cigarettes a "gateway to tobacco addiction." He and Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., called on the Food and Drug Administration to tighten regulations on advertising campaigns toward children.”

Rep. Henry Waxman

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/g...e3469e283.html

[stubby2]

The tin found in the studies comes from the solder used to attach the coils. Only low grade electronic cigarettes as in disposables and gas station cig-a-likes actually use solder. Solder is not used are in any higher quality atomizers.

The other metals found are from the coil itself. What they didn't tell us is that the amounts found where trace amounts that are not dangerous to human health. Another trick used in these junk studies to push the level of metals higher is burning the coil without enough liquid. For anyone who actually uses electronic cigarettes the taste when doing this is awful and the user would quickly stop using it. Without liquid to cool the coil the temperature nearly doubles which gives off more trace metals.

The metal scare with electronic cigarettes is about the same as saying snus has measurable amounts of TSNA's so therefor it must be harmful. It's all junk science but it sure makes for some scary headlines. If it bleeds it leads.

[alopezg1]

But I suppose that would require actual journalism as opposed to just using the copy and paste function

[alopezg1]

Its just media speak isnt it , nothing of any real substance, just recycled sound bites . It does make you wonder though
Surely there is enough actual news , things that actually would be of value to report on , without having to drum up this sort
Of stuff