The Assault On E-Cigs Accelerates

[Andy105]

Yep, and why do we have to support the full time spenders....

So that they can give $20 million to Spotted Tree Frog Masturbation Research, and then act like they are our saviors.
We desperately need term limits, or voter education requirements

[Burnsey]

Why does the budget gap always have to be /filled/? When you spend too much money, do you change your lifestyle, do you start rolling old ladies for their bingo money to make up the difference? Maybe instead of filling the gap, they should just get a smaller glass...

Yep, and why do we have to support the full time spenders....

[lxskllr]

"We must fill a budget gap of more than a billion dollars,” said Erik Arneson, spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Dominic Pileggi, R-9, Chester."

Why does the budget gap always have to be /filled/? When you spend too much money, do you change your lifestyle, do you start rolling old ladies for their bingo money to make up the difference? Maybe instead of filling the gap, they should just get a smaller glass...

[trebli]

E-Cigarette Tax Stirs Interest



"Taxing the sale of electronic cigarettes is stirring interest among lawmakers as a potential new revenue source to shore up the cash-strapped state budget.

No specific proposals have emerged yet, but the idea is getting consideration as the various legislative caucuses study a wide range of revenue options to deal with a $500 million shortfall in the fiscal 2013-14 budget and likely shortfall of a similar amount in the fiscal 2014-15 budget."

"We must fill a budget gap of more than a billion dollars,” said Erik Arneson, spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Dominic Pileggi, R-9, Chester."

http://thetimes-tribune.com/news/e-c...rest-1.1691314

[trebli]

Ken Braun: Taxing E-Cigarettes Like Tobacco Would Result In More Cancer

Now for something that is altogether too rare - a pro e-cig editorial!



"It’s rarely so easy to draw a straight line between death and taxes. Taxing e-cigarettes like real cigarettes will inflict more hideous cancers on more people than would otherwise occur if they switched to vaping, and many of those people will die as a result. Conversely, failure to apply tobacco taxes to e-cigarettes will mean much less revenue for state government.

In the era of e-cigarettes, choosing the money means government is choosing to kill. "

http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/in...igarettes.html

[trebli]

E-Cigarettes Face Dizzying Number Of State, Local Fights



"Electronic cigarettes were officially added to municipal smoking bans in Chicago and New York City Tuesday, five days after the Food and Drug Administration unveiled its first proposed regulations for the increasingly popular devices. But regulatory fights across the country are far from over.

A relatively low-profile struggle is well underway as state and local officials seek taxes, bans and restrictions on the multibillion-dollar industry. "

"In most clashes the arguments are the same. Supporters of stiff regulations say e-cigarette liquid contains addictive nicotine, may appeal to children and may be dangerous. E-cigarette users stress the devices are likely a healthier alternative to combustible cigarettes, cite preliminary studies backing their case and dispute the veracity of age-appeal claims."

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/...e-local-fights

[trebli]

Future Hazy For E-Cigarettes



"Things are heating up in Minnesota over e-cigarettes.

Recent proposals at the state Legislature have proposed lump them together with tobacco in the eyes of the Clean Indoor Air Act, meaning users couldn't smoke in public indoor spaces. Other proposals would restrict them from state-owned buildings and schools."

http://www.winonadailynews.com/news/...fdf927831.html

[trebli]

County Supervisors Vote To Ban E-Cigarettes Where Tobacco Smoking Is Banned

"The San Diego County Board of Supervisors voted Tuesday to tentatively approve an amendment to the county code to prohibit the use of electronic cigarettes in places where tobacco smoking is banned."

"The public is lacking information about the risk of the exposure to these devices, and I believe that the county, as stewards of public health, we have to limit the public's exposure to potentially harmful vapors," Supervisor Dave Roberts said. "

read more: http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/...258200571.html

[SnusoMatic]

i doubt a quality ecig is real harmful.

i don't use an ecig because i've quit regular cigs and figure it's just a hop and skip from ecig back to regular for me. i don't want to take that chance.

if i did use ecig i would want it regulated in much everything else is for say food. i mean to make sure the stuff is pure. there is always someone who would rather mix rat poison in the stuff to save money. don't think i am saying the stuff has rat poison in it. just need some sort of oversight of some sort.

also, i think if one has to be grown to buy cigs they should be to buy ecigs. around here if a kid wants either they can get them anyway. i personally know stores i could send any 15-16 year old to buy cigs and beer. my thinking is they should enforce the laws they already have before they make new ones.

i am not saying tax it either. i am not for taxes on much of anything.

in reality anyone who has kept up with tobacco for the last ten years knows how it will turn out for ecigs. no one has to tell you. but since that is what i am doing haha.... soon the gov will slap a mega tax on ecig liquid. i am not sure how that stuff is measured. i assume by ML. So there will be N $ per ML tax. They will make it illegal to send through the mail. Certain states will slap on another n $ per ML. It will end up costing as much if not more than regular cigs. Of course anything containing nic will be illegal to own unless you pay the tax or you are in medical. my guess it will all be finished within five years. Most of the fed part will be within two years.

i wonder what the shelf life on ecig liquid is?

[evilfrog]

"Public health advocates, who’ve been incensed by the lack of restrictions on e-cigarettes in particular as regards their burgeoning use by kids and teens, welcomed the announcement but said it didn’t go far enough.


In February, the European Parliament passed e-cigarette regulations that went much further, banning advertising, limiting nicotine content, and requiring childproof packaging."


http://www.forbes.com/sites/melanieh...-e-cigarettes/

From my quick reading of the FDA paper: if it passes as is, it will probably result in higher prices and maybe some stifling of innovation by the little one and two man modding companies. There's no way the FDA will be quick about checking every mod, atty, drip tip, juice, etc. for compliance - they just want the fee from the application.
If I'm wrong and they are quick about doing this stuff or if the application fee is unreasonably high, then you can say goodbye to American mods and liquids outside of what big tobacco owns. We will be left with looking to European and Asian modders and the black market after the two year grace period ends.

[trebli]

"Public health advocates, who’ve been incensed by the lack of restrictions on e-cigarettes in particular as regards their burgeoning use by kids and teens, welcomed the announcement but said it didn’t go far enough.


In February, the European Parliament passed e-cigarette regulations that went much further, banning advertising, limiting nicotine content, and requiring childproof packaging."


http://www.forbes.com/sites/melanieh...-e-cigarettes/

[trebli]

F.D.A. Will Propose New Regulations For E-Cigarettes

"The Food and Drug Administration will propose sweeping new rules on Thursday …" "Thursday’s release of the blueprint — which is hundreds of pages long — is sure to set off a frantic lobbying effort in Washington as affected industries try to head off the costliest, most restrictive regulations.

Members of the Smoke Free Alternatives Trade Association, one of the e-cigarette industry trade groups, descended on Washington in November, and reported holding nearly 50 meetings with congressional officials to help them “learn more about the negative impact inappropriate regulation could have on this nascent industry,” the group said in a statement."

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/24/he...ml?hpw&rref=us

[trebli]

Are Electronic Cigarettes A Public Good Or A Health Hazard?

"When electronic cigarettes first appeared a little over a decade ago, they were hailed by public health advocates-as well as some smokers-as a godsend …

Very quickly, however, enthusiasm faded, when some public health advocates began worrying that the cure was worse than the disease. Even more worrisome, “eCigs” could provide a gateway for young people to start smoking tobacco cigarettes, or even lure ex-smokers back to the habit.

At the same time, 2.8 million nonsmokers converted to electronic smokes. But even that doesn’t tell the whole story, says Quelch, since it leaves out the number of smokers who would have taken up smoking tobacco if e-cigarettes didn’t exist, as well as the number of smokers who would have quit cold turkey without the availability of electronic products.

Ironically, if regulation does go forward, it might help the major tobacco companies, by limiting the marketing playbook of the competitors that were cannibalizing sales of their products.

“Altria or Phillip Morris know how to deal with regulators,” says Quelch, “but with all those entrepreneurs coming out with flavors and advertising, they would no longer be able to get traction in their business.”

That means that electronic cigarettes, which are now significantly cheaper on a smoke-per-smoke basis than heavily taxed tobacco competitors, will probably start climbing in price and eventually become equal to tobacco brands. That could create an even bigger windfall for Phillip Morris, Altria, and Lorillard."

more at: http://www.forbes.com/sites/hbsworki.../04/23/4292/2/

[trebli]

Smoke Signals: E-Cigarette Industry Awaits Looming FDA Regulation

"The Food and Drug Administration will propose rules for e-cigarettes as early as this month."

"Where the real questions remain is how the agency will treat the thousands of flavors available for e-cigarettes. While some companies are limiting offerings to tobacco and menthol flavors, others are selling candy-like flavors like cherry and strawberry.

Flavors other than menthol are banned for regular cigarettes over concerns that flavored tobacco targets children."


Isn't this what happened to retail snus? Most snus varieties were never grandfathered.

"The FDA also will decide the grandfather date that would allow electronic cigarette products to remain on the market without getting prior approval from regulators — a ruling that could force some, if not all, e-cigarettes to be pulled from store shelves while they are evaluated by the agency."

http://www.nydailynews.com/life-styl...icle-1.1764739

[Thunder_Snus]

Actually, I can get down with minors being able to purchase ready-made nicotine-containing products, too. I just don't think it's in the realm of things that are bound to happen at this point. That said, the thought of some 15-year-old buying 100mg/ml nicotine liquid and going "this seems like a great way to get FURKED URP" and slamming a shot of it terrifies me. I've known 15-year-olds to do similarly stupid things. I also don't think it's a great idea for vaping retailers to blatantly ignore existing laws. Doesn't help the cause at all.

I see you are from Ohio which I believe is exactly like non-chicago Illinois meaning there is nothing to do. Being a teenager you can either play sports, worship Jesus, or use tobacco. I chose tobacco. I could get it all the time when I was 14, the only problem was someone else had to get it for me which sometimes lead to dealing with sketchy ass people just to get tobacco. If some 15 year old wants to slam a shot of nic-liquid then by all means let him do it. Natural selection is something that is best to experience first hand.

My big fear now is that the EU will shut down Sweden's snus production and Norway's current snus laws will leave us in short supply of our favorite products here in the U.S. The EU was formed all about easier exchange of travel and business transactions, yet they want to shut down the one tobacco product that could make the entire eurozone an incredibly healthier place.