The Assault On E-Cigs Accelerates

[taffyjock]

Got a really weird situation here in the UK, battle between ideology & science, Public health & the tobacco war, Gov control vs Free market.

No one seems to know WTF to believe & it's doing no good for the smokers who just think sod it & keep smoking.

Public Health England (advisor to NHS) released a study saying ecigs are at least 95% Safer than smoking.

NHS are releasing a prescription ecig from BAT, a useless cigalikes at the same time as EUs TPD is basically killing 2nd, 3rd & 4th generation ecigs with heavy restrictions, the ones that actually work.

So we're left with a situation where Anti tobacco zealots are celebrating killing off something that is getting people off smoking & kissing up to the tobacco industry, it's complete madness

[Snusdog]

I'm interested to hear comments on this article from everyone here

http://www.cstoredecisions.com/2014/...apor-e-cigs/#_

It appears that Reynolds has missed the "curve" so to speak and now finds themselves behind the proverbial 8 ball, and are asking the FDA to ban the competition.

The whole process is on the take if you ask me........and here is just one example of a non-health related attempt to manipulate health policy to the hurt of the population's health.

[lxskllr]

...the scary thing is that the FDA (Flickin Dumb Asses) might actually buy into what RJR is saying.

Someone more cynical might say they aren't buying anything, but are getting paid. If not in the present, then in future lucrative employment...

[rickcharles606]

Let people do what they want, with hardware they purchased?! What kind of insanity is that?!?! If we allow that, soon people will be using kitchen chairs as step ladders, and adding solid state drives to their computers. It'll be the end of civilization as we know it!!

LOL, yeah it'll be anarchy. RJR spent millions and millions of dollars developing their "e-cig" and by the time they got it to market, the market was moving in a different direction...away from cig-alike products to VTM's (Vapor Tank Mods) and they hadn't prepared for that. So they try and get the rest of the industries products banned. It's laughable really, but the scary thing is that the FDA (Flickin Dumb Asses) might actually buy into what RJR is saying.

[lxskllr]

I'm interested to hear comments on this article from everyone here

http://www.cstoredecisions.com/2014/...apor-e-cigs/#_

It appears that Reynolds has missed the "curve" so to speak and now finds themselves behind the proverbial 8 ball, and are asking the FDA to ban the competition.

Our position is really that these open tanks are really not appropriate. And the reason for that is because people can put whatever they want to in those tanks, and this is a lot of the public outcry. People are putting a lot of things other than nicotine into these pipes.

Let people do what they want, with hardware they purchased?! What kind of insanity is that?!?! If we allow that, soon people will be using kitchen chairs as step ladders, and adding solid state drives to their computers. It'll be the end of civilization as we know it!!

[rickcharles606]

I'm interested to hear comments on this article from everyone here

http://www.cstoredecisions.com/2014/...apor-e-cigs/#_

It appears that Reynolds has missed the "curve" so to speak and now finds themselves behind the proverbial 8 ball, and are asking the FDA to ban the competition.

[Snusdog]

Heart Group Calls On FDA To Quickly Regulate E-Cigs

"Electronic cigarettes need to be strongly regulated – and quickly – to prevent another generation of young people from becoming addicted to nicotine, according to the American Heart Association's first policy statement on the products.

In its statement, the heart association pointed to studies suggesting that e-cigarettes, which contain nicotine but no tobacco, could serve as a "gateway" drug to addict young people, who may go on to regular cigarettes or smokeless tobacco. The association pointed to flavors in e-cigarettes, such as bubble gum, arguing that these are intended to attract kids.

"We are fiercely committed to preventing the tobacco industry from addicting another generation of smokers," said Nancy Brown, CEO of the heart association, in a statement.

An April proposal from the Food and Drug Administration would require most e-cigarettes to undergo an agency review. The proposed rules would ban sales of e-cigarettes to minors and require warning labels. Though some health advocates hailed the announcement, others said the FDA didn't go far enough, because it failed to ban flavors."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...ment/14450967/

Something smells in these reports........I bet a good accountant finds either big tobacco or big pharmaceutical as contributors to these groups........these desperate emotive calls for regulation, save the children, and of course. ...gotta throw the gateway card.........have no science behind them........they are purely agenda driven......by those with something to protect

[alopezg1]

So basically they confirmed nicotine is addicting? I don't think anyone has ever argued that fact ever

actually the synthetic nicotine you get in e-cigs has a very low potential for addiction... not many people get hooked on the patches or gum

[evilfrog]

Really liked this piece on e-cigs: http://www.clivebates.com/?p=2391

Things have gotten really bad in parts of Australia over the last year or so - hopefully it isn't a harbinger of what the rest of us will soon face.
I'm hoping reason wins out over irrational fear in at least a few countries, but I've prepared for the worst.

[trebli]

They are also claiming that nicotine is a gateway to cocaine use.

[Thunder_Snus]

FTA:


Then yesterday the New England Journal of Medicine published a study calling e-cigarettes a “gateway drug” for nicotine addiction and possibly for other addictive drugs as well."


"Pointing to a body of previous epidemiological research demonstrating that nicotine is a gateway for marijuana and cocaine use, the Kandels argue that e-cigarettes, by introducing nonsmoking kids to nicotine, extend that gateway. To back up the accusation, they marshal biological data on the effects of nicotine in the brains of mice, and psychological studies into the processes of addiction."



http://www.forbes.com/sites/melanieh...s-experts-say/

So basically they confirmed nicotine is addicting? I don't think anyone has ever argued that fact ever

[trebli]

E-Cigarettes May Be A "Gateway" Drug For Teenagers, Study Shows

FTA:


Then yesterday the New England Journal of Medicine published a study calling e-cigarettes a “gateway drug” for nicotine addiction and possibly for other addictive drugs as well."


"Pointing to a body of previous epidemiological research demonstrating that nicotine is a gateway for marijuana and cocaine use, the Kandels argue that e-cigarettes, by introducing nonsmoking kids to nicotine, extend that gateway. To back up the accusation, they marshal biological data on the effects of nicotine in the brains of mice, and psychological studies into the processes of addiction."


http://www.forbes.com/sites/melanieh...s-experts-say/

[trebli]

E-Cigarette Criticisms 'Alarmist' Say Researchers







"For every million smokers who switch to e-cigarettes, more than 6,000 lives a year could be saved, according to the University College London team.


Meanwhile another group of London-based experts has attacked criticism of e-cigarettes as "misleading"."


http://www.bbc.com/news/health-29061169

[trebli]

'Ban E-Cigarette Use Indoors,' Says WHO




"The World Health Organization is calling for a range of tough regulations restricting the use of e-cigarettes.


In a report the health body recommends banning their indoor use and says sales to children should stop.


The WHO urges manufacturers not to make claims the devices can help people quit smoking - until there is firm evidence to support this.


The report says flavours attractive to children should be prohibited.


According to the WHO legal steps should be taken to end the use of e-cigarettes indoors - both in public spaces and in work places.


The health experts suggest fruit, candy or alcoholic-drink style flavours should be banned too, while the sales of electronic cigarettes from vending machines should be heavily restricted."


http://www.bbc.com/news/health-28937610

[Thunder_Snus]

They keep going through this constant loop. They should ban ecigs because it might be a "gateway" for teenagers to use real cigarettes then they should ban ecigs because kids might think its a healthy alternative to normal cigarettes. Banning flavors won't change anything it will just open up a new market for "flavor sold separately" just like kaplan said.

Has anyone considered that a pack of cigarettes is 4-10 bucks or more depending on where you live while the startup cost for an ecig is atleast 30$ Unless you get one of those 20 puff disposable blue ecigs. So getting your hands on it is tough when you are a young child, spend 30 dollars just for the device or lets just say 7 for a pack of 20 of the real thing.

Why is it everyone loves to just call things tobacco? Or that tobacco=cancer in the same amount regardless of use? Yes i know tobacco is bad but why do we say smokeless/vaping is equally as bad as smoking when every shred of evidence points otherwise? Why do we allow our politicians to nitpick and try to twist everything to satisfy consumers into something "marketed to kids?" When will they start doing this with our food? Why can mcdonalds give away toys to market unhealthy food towards children? I don't know of a person who started smoking because they could smoke something that tasted like chocolate....why wouldn't they just eat chocolate? Noone every said no i would smoke but there aren't good flavors for a kid like me.


Speaking of banning things does anyone have any info on how the snus ban is working out in Denmark?