Piccanell v Oliver Twist ?

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  • victor meldrew
    Member
    • Feb 2007
    • 34

    Piccanell v Oliver Twist ?

    Piccanell Licorice violet,
    Oliver Twist Original,
    any else flavour that you could recommend to me ?

    How long can I keep an open can in the fridge ?
  • chainsnuser
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2007
    • 1388

    #2
    This is old-fashioned chewing tobacco with a best before date, that should be at least 6 months in the future and without the need of refrigeration.

    I doubt, that it can go bad at all. The worst thing maybe is, that it dries out.

    I'm using OT Original regularly. Piccanell Original is on my 'must-try-list' and will be in my next order. In addition, I'm using german chewing-tobacco-brands, made by Grimm & Triepel, which are spicy and fruity at the same time, still using recipes from the 1840-years. They can be found at: http://www.rajek.de/shop/index.php/c...er/language/en

    Cheers!

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    • victor meldrew
      Member
      • Feb 2007
      • 34

      #3
      Which products in the range Grimm & Triepel, could you advise to me, to find something similar to OT Original ?

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      • chainsnuser
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2007
        • 1388

        #4
        None, they taste very different, but I like OT Original as well as Kruse No. 5. German chew has a unique flavor of raisins, prunes, wine, several spices and many other ingredients. The taste as a whole is nearly undescribable. Chances are, that you like it.

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        • victor meldrew
          Member
          • Feb 2007
          • 34

          #5
          I don't speak German. Could you tell me the difference between the different N°5 and others products from Grimm & Triepel ?
          Are they tobacco rolls, or loose tobacco ?
          Which one did you taste ?

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          • phish
            Member
            • Jan 2007
            • 265

            #6
            I would like to try this stuff but what are the health implications for this type of tobacco? Is it closer to snus or chew?

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            • chainsnuser
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2007
              • 1388

              #7
              Originally posted by victor meldrew
              I don't speak German. Could you tell me the difference between the different N°5 and others products from Grimm & Triepel ?
              Are they tobacco rolls, or loose tobacco ?
              Which one did you taste ?
              Yes, the website is only partly translated. Don't know why. Well, it's a niche-product even in Germany. I doubt, it has many international consumers. BTW, Rajek's House of Smoke is one of two webshops, I know in Germany, that sell the product in end-consumer-quantities and the only one, that ships internationally.

              To answer your questions:
              No. 5 has thicker pieces (5g/12 pieces, about the size of 2 OT-bits)
              No. 7 has thinner pieces (5g/16 pieces, a bit bigger than an OT-bit)

              It's spun tobacco, cut into pieces, just like Oliver Twist.

              Kruse is the original product of the firm, Hanewacker and Fischerstift (fishers' bolt) are products of former competitors, now bought up by Grimm & Triepel.

              Hanewacker should be a little more spicy than Kruse, Fischerstift a little milder. Some experienced users in a german forum say, there is no difference in taste at all.

              I've tried Kruse No. 5/No. 7 and Hanewacker No. 5. The taste is, indeed, very similar, so I guess, for a beginner, there is no real need to try more than one product.

              Originally posted by phish
              I would like to try this stuff but what are the health implications for this type of tobacco? Is it closer to snus or chew?
              There are no scientific studies and very little informations about this product. It's made by a small family firm, with (AFAIK) 7 employees, some of them part-time. Their website http://www.kruse-kautabak.de/ is only in German and provides only very basic information.
              So, what I know is, that it is made of fire cured, spun Kentucky-tobacco, that's put in several 'sauces' and each time dried again for some months, before it is sold.

              The product, originally, around 1849, was meant to be a copy of american contemporary brands, but soon developed in it's own direction by applying other recipes.

              Overall it is much less sweet and more spicy/fruity than american chewing-tobacco-brands.

              It's a type of chew, maybe a medium between Oliver Twist and american brands of chewing tobacco and it's absolutely spitfree, unless you have a very sensitive stomach.

              A 100 years ago, these products were much more popular in Germany, than smoking, just like snus is today for the Swedes. I really wonder, why these stinking cigarettes ever became so popular around the world.

              It's presumably not as 'healthy' as snus, but after 20 years of smoking, I'm not too concerned about this issue.

              It's quite expensive to order it outside of Germany, so I'd recommend to try it, only if you are very curious about it. Those, who want a hint of how it tastes, should try Offroad Strong Cranberry, which also is a nice alternation from most other snus-brands and really has some kind of a chewing-tobacco-taste.

              Hope the informations are helpful.

              Cheers!

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              • victor meldrew
                Member
                • Feb 2007
                • 34

                #8
                Thank you Chainsnuser,

                I have one more question !
                What is the difference between OT Royal and OT Original (which is licorice flavoured) ?

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                • chainsnuser
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 1388

                  #9
                  Originally posted by victor meldrew
                  I have one more question !
                  What is the difference between OT Royal and OT Original (which is licorice flavoured) ?
                  AFAIK, OT Royal is made with air-cured tobacco, OT Original with fire-cured tobacco. I have only tried OT Original until now and assume, it is a bit more spicy, than Royal.

                  I'm quite an old fashioned guy in some ways, so brands with names like "Original" always get my first attention, but I will eventually try OT Royal and maybe OT Sunberry, too.

                  BTW, according to the taste-description of Piccanell Original on the Swedish-Match-website ( http://www.swedishsnus.com/smna_us/ ), it could have a taste, similar to german chew. I will order it in the next days, just out of curiosity. Maybe I find a new favorite.

                  Cheers!

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                  • victor meldrew
                    Member
                    • Feb 2007
                    • 34

                    #10
                    I understand that No. 5 and No. 7, Hanewacker and Fischerstift, and Kruse are quite similar. But, I'd like you ton confirm that none of these are orange flavoured (because I hate orange, and I saw on a german web site - without understanding- the word Orange).
                    Thanks

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                    • chainsnuser
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 1388

                      #11
                      Originally posted by victor meldrew
                      I understand that No. 5 and No. 7, Hanewacker and Fischerstift, and Kruse are quite similar. But, I'd like you ton confirm that none of these are orange flavoured (because I hate orange, and I saw on a german web site - without understanding- the word Orange).
                      Thanks
                      They aren't orange-flavoured. There was a product, called "Priem Stick Orange", that has recently been discontinued. I never tried it, though I like oranges, but it was described as low in nicotine and "developed for the lady". Didn't sound too good to me. :lol:

                      The sauces of the other brands are very rich in flavour, like a good wine. I personally can't taste oranges in them, but it's not impossible, that very small amounts are used, since the Grimm & Triepel-website names oranges (in German 'Apfelsinen') as one of the ingredients, without saying, in which brands they are used.

                      So, I consulted another german website about the taditional recipe of "Kautabak" from around 1850. It doesn't name oranges.

                      Hope this helps.

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                      • victor meldrew
                        Member
                        • Feb 2007
                        • 34

                        #12
                        Thanks Chainsnuser for this explanation. I'm going to order asap.

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