Interesting Thunder Coola Los Low PH

[whalen]

Redacted remark. Jeesh.

[mattarios]

Ok, can we just agree to disagree?

I don't like arguing or confrontation. Let's just agree we like snus and enjoy it and leave it at that.

Cheers!

[jagmanss]

Your statements are false man. He agreed, the V2 guy I spoke with agreed and said the PH is way lower because a higher PH ruined the flavor. What you are saying is UNTRUE. I don't act like I know everything all I said was the coola did nothing for me so I tested the ph and it was 7.1, thunder frosted is 8.5. Making a massive difference in free nicotine or that relaxing feeling. I didn't say they ripped me off, did I? Go double check my posts, did i say they ripped me off? No I don't think I did. I said it is marketed as an extra sterk and when it is that low of a PH, it isn't extra sterk, so a simple exchange would suffice. That is all. Quit your assumptions. I never said it was inferior, I just said based on the strength of it it shouldn't be marketed as extra sterk. I asked if the PH was correct b/c their frosted is 8.5, and their coola is 7.1 do you truly realize how much of a difference there is in free nicotine between the two? If you did, you wouldn't be saying what you are saying.

You may not have used those exact words but you implied it in this post... using word's like you find it deceiving to sell a product as "extra sterk" I feel I have been deceived..... Really let's not use word games....

This is my response

I understand I just find it deceiving to sell a product as "extra sterk" that only has a ph of 7.1. With a PH that low very little nicotine is released. Most of the nicotine isn't "free" nicotine. I buy extra sterk because I can handle my nicotine, I feel I have been deceived buying a product that is labeled extra sterk and isn't truly extra sterk.

I literally feel NOTHING from this tobacco. It is basically a waste. I bought 24 cans of it, assuming it would be EXTRA STERK, and it isn't. Whether other people have complained about it or not, doesn't make it acceptable. With a PH of 8.5 roughly 85% of the nicotine is free, with a PH of 7.1 studies have shown that only 7% of the nicotine is free or usable. How can you market a product as extra sterk knowing you only get roughly 7% of the nicotine content?

What do you guys think? Like I said, I try to be fair with all companies but I don't think selling a product as extra sterk with a ph of 7.1 is acceptable. I knew after my first prilla this stuff was WEAK, weaker than any other normal strength snus with high ph like 8.5-8.8

And once again ....There you go again with your ph... Who cares, Just put a snus in and give it a rest.... Enjoy it or don't... Extra Sterks affect people differently, It didn't affect you the way you wanted it to and that is all there is to it... Just because it says Ekstra Sterk doesn't mean you will always get the same feeling as another Ekstra Sterk...

Dude! Your so obsessed with your ph testing that your not ever going to enjoy snus...

[mattarios]

I hear ya.

[Frosted]

This is like geeky snus trainspotting.

Even in the strongest brands there are differences in each roll, and in each tin in that roll there are differences, and in each portion within that tin there are differences. Some portions are dry, some are very moist etc. I'll take one portion out and just that one, will kick my ass (happens with some 8mg snus even) whereas the rest of the tin won't. Personally I don't give a f*** and wouldn't even consider writing to the manufacturer.

If I don't like it, I don't buy it. Simples.

[mattarios]

Your statements are false man. He agreed, the V2 guy I spoke with agreed and said the PH is way lower because a higher PH ruined the flavor. What you are saying is UNTRUE. I don't act like I know everything all I said was the coola did nothing for me so I tested the ph and it was 7.1, thunder frosted is 8.5. Making a massive difference in free nicotine or that relaxing feeling. I didn't say they ripped me off, did I? Go double check my posts, did i say they ripped me off? No I don't think I did. I said it is marketed as an extra sterk and when it is that low of a PH, it isn't extra sterk, so a simple exchange would suffice. That is all. Quit your assumptions. I never said it was inferior, I just said based on the strength of it it shouldn't be marketed as extra sterk. I asked if the PH was correct b/c their frosted is 8.5, and their coola is 7.1 do you truly realize how much of a difference there is in free nicotine between the two? If you did, you wouldn't be saying what you are saying.

[jagmanss]

I'm not attacking you nor is it meant that way... That is the way you are taking it..

I'm just trying to understand your logic in stating that you have a high tolerance to nicotine and think your not addicted, You get that ahh! feeling that you were calling a buzz up until now, are using an extra sterk snus, You get another Extra sterk snus and state it does nothing, Then question the the manufacturer as to whether the ph is correct, Then insult the manufacturer by saying they are ripping you off by selling an inferior snus product to you... You buy a ph tester off of ebay and you act like you know more than the manufacturer.... Sorry that's not assumption about you.... It's what you posted...

BTW: I love my sig too She get's me everytime and she uses shampoo and conditioner that are PH balanced

[mattarios]

Hahaha comic relief, nothing like it!

[EricHill78]

My shampoo and conditioner are PH balanced.

[mattarios]

Lol, alright seeing as I go weeks without any use of nicotine, your statement doesn't make sense. I go 3-4 weeks with ease with no nicotine usage what so ever. I am not sure why you are attacking me, I didn't mean to cause any problems or anger you in any way.

When I burned my throat from this darn snus, i went about 40 days with no snus or hookah because the hookah irritated my throat as well as the snus. So I do enjoy nicotine products, but addicted ... no.

There are people out there that can use nicotine products and not become hooked. Whether you want to believe it or not ... that is up to you. At the end of the day, there is no reason or need for you to attack me. I would appreciate it if you stop making assumptions about me.

Thank you

By the way, I do love your sig ... every time I see your pic I do a double take lol. But just to clarify, It boggles my mind as well as many friends and family, I am able to use nicotine products whenever I please and have no addiction what so ever. When I was diagnosed with high blood pressure, my doctor said lay off hookah and all nicotine products for a solid 3 months until you get it down, I said no prob doc, did what he asked of me, and lowered my BP. As I said before if you want to believe it or not, that is up to you, either way is fine, but it is the truth.

[jagmanss]

Some people naturally have different tolerances to nicotine than others. I have friends that come over on every hookah night when we all gather and enjoy a hookah and talk and watch tv etc. And EVERY time, this one friend takes 3-4 hits and is done, I mean done, knocked out and he only uses hookah with us. I have another friend, only smokes hookah with us, doesn't use any nicotine other than hookah as well, and he can go puff for puff with me until the end. I think some people can just handle nicotine better than others, simple as that. When I first started using hookah and dip/snus I never really got messed up, just knew it was there and had a nice relaxation feeling, I still get that today. There is tons of variation, if you check over one of the links I posted, the article on snuscentral talks about various factors in the mouth and body that create variation in absorption rates of nicotine that varies from user to user, I am sure that stuff plays a major factor that makes me, you, and everyone else around us completely different when it comes to nicotine.

I am and have been well aware that there are many various factors mainly with snus that affect absorption rates of nicotine... such as what you had to drink or are drinking, What you had to eat, whether you brushed your teeth or not and so on affect the ph in your mouth which in turn affect the absorption rate of snus... There is no denying that....

There also is no denying your statement above and your statement that you have a high tolerance to nicotine are all indication that you are addicted to nicotine and built up that high tolerance and are now addicted.... simple as that! Whether you beleive it or not that is what it is.... Addiction to nicotine.

[mattarios]

Some people naturally have different tolerances to nicotine than others. I have friends that come over on every hookah night when we all gather and enjoy a hookah and talk and watch tv etc. And EVERY time, this one friend takes 3-4 hits and is done, I mean done, knocked out and he only uses hookah with us. I have another friend, only smokes hookah with us, doesn't use any nicotine other than hookah as well, and he can go puff for puff with me until the end. I think some people can just handle nicotine better than others, simple as that. When I first started using hookah and dip/snus I never really got messed up, just knew it was there and had a nice relaxation feeling, I still get that today. There is tons of variation, if you check over one of the links I posted, the article on snuscentral talks about various factors in the mouth and body that create variation in absorption rates of nicotine that varies from user to user, I am sure that stuff plays a major factor that makes me, you, and everyone else around us completely different when it comes to nicotine.

[jagmanss]

I'm not understanding your logic,

You state that you have a high tolerance to nicotine yet you also state your not building a tolerance....

So how did you get a high tolerance to nicotine if you didn't build up a tolerance....

Your using an Extra Sterk snus, Even if only once a day or 10 times a day you had to build that high tolerance from somewhere...

[mattarios]

And as others have said in the link you posted, maybe buzz is the wrong term, I just enjoy feeling something when using tobacco, like a relaxation feeling as others said in that link you posted. It isn't really a BUZZ, more like ahh this is nice. I don't need to be spinning, just know something is there. And I have always had a high tolerance to nicotine ever since I first started using the stuff, which is mainly why I use sterks, because other than enjoyment for flavor, there isn't that litte extra there, and I do enjoy that little extra feeling :-)

[mattarios]

Yeah I will check out your links, but I don't think you are reading my posts fully.

I DOOO get a buzz every time. I use snus and other tobacco products mainly hookah for enjoyment purposes, no addiction or anything like that. So when I use snus or hookah I DOOO get a buzz.

I don't use it often enough to not get a buzz.

The PH did burn my throat so I wanted to lower it, but then I realized I can just spit. I use thunder because it is strong, just like how I used to use Kodiak and Grizzly because it was strong, always got a buzz from all of them, then noticed coola was different, that is ALL. Wanted to find a way to increase it because I have ALWAYS had a high tolerance to nicotine and was dissapointed when coola was extremely weak.

That is all there is to it. I figured out how to increase it successfully so we are good :-) For the future I will probably just use thunder frosted.

If you take the posts I've made recently as complaints and what not, that is fine, you have the right to perceive it the way you would like. I was having an issue originally, and solved it with some help from everyone on this board and I appreciate that. I found coola to be extremely weak when it is marketed as extra sterk and I had a problem with that as well. Issue is solved now, so great. Just won't buy it in the future. Never tried to cause problems or be a "complainer" if that is how you perceive me, then that is unfortunate. I use snus differently than you do, I EXPECT a buzz every time I use it because I don't use it multiple times a day. And I have always gotten a buzz from all tobacco products every time I use them, because as I said, it isn't all the time. I expected something and it wasn't what I expected, maybe I AM at fault, or maybe not, either way, solution found.