Political: New "War Tax" added to income tax code

[sgreger1]

If we went there to conquer the nation, impose our rule of law, and take the oil, I would more so support the "war", and I think more people would too. But as it is, no one seems to know what heck we are doing there, and how/if we'll ever leave.

Lol this is what i'm saying man, if everyone already thinks there's a war for oil, than why the **** isn't there a war for oil? We are getting nothing in return for this. If this is really about bringing democracy over there than we can't afford that. If there are no spoils to conquer than gtfo

[chadizzy1]

Osama Bin Laden? You want to know what I think, even given my particularly right of center view on almost everything? I think that he's got some tie to the gov through the CIA or some other agency. We've caught the guy 2-3 times and let him go every time.

And according to that documentary a while back, apparently the Bin Laden family was here around 9/11 and allowed to go after the attacks. Don't know if there's any truth to that, but something I've heard.

Then he's dead...then he's alive...etc, etc, etc.

Sounds like a bunch of BS. They found the Unabomber in a f**king hut in the woods (albeit, with help), and they found Saddam in a f**king HOLE IN THE GROUND



If we wanted Obama, we'd have Obama.

[tom502]

Seems like Bin Laden is America's Emmanuel Goldstein.

[LaZeR]

If we wanted Obama, we'd have Obama.

:shock: We do have him. The majority of dumbasses in this country voted him in. :lol:

[sgreger1]

Well with the most recent polls showing his approval at 48% and over 58% of Americans being opposed to the health care reform going throught he housesenate right now, it's not looking good.

Theres no question that America will lose their hope with him after a while, like they do with all presidents, but if the republicans (or maybe 3rd party?) get a shot in 2012, I hope they pick someone good to run.. If they choose Mccain or Palin again I swear I will vote for whatever the opposition is. These days I swear the republicans ar ethrowing the elections.

[PsychoHazard]

Don't blame me. I voted for Nader. I didn't really want him either, but out of the available candidates, he had the most amusement value. A real 9.5 on the fruit loop scale. :lol:

[VBSnus]

Standing in the back stupidly looking stupid party!

[BillW]

I think sharing the cost through an additional tax is just fine. An additional 10% off the top for everyone except politicians and corporate executives. They get to pay an 85% tax on all of their income, foreign and domestic. If they get caught hiding their income they get executed and their families get sent the bill for the execution. Maybe then they'll look before they leap.

Hey bill. what BCT and battalion were you in in the 82nd? I just got back from 1-505 PIR in 3rd BCT.

1-508th PIR. Back then they were in 3rd Bde. From what I hear they're in Italy now with the herd. I was there from 72 to 75. Before you say it, yeah, I'm old.

[Skimo]

Most politicians are the same, they pay their dues like doctors in the AMA.

It's a club democrats and republicans are one in the same, the safest bet would be killing every politician and starting fresh, no life long appointments and NO re-elections. Real consequences for taking bribes etc.

This means less favor trading and shenanigans.

One law at a time, no riders for any special interest groups.

Sure they say that it will take more time... hove you seen what congress does on a daily basis? sit on their asses, watch CSPAN for a couple days.

President Obama lied (like most politicians) to us. He said we're getting out of the war... then he got elected and promptly forgot to mention that he changed his mind and would continue sending even more troops away from their families, friends and loved ones to our generations watered down version of Vietnam.

I'll vote for any libertarian that runs, I'll even join the campaign handing out flyers if I think there's a chance that one less political mobster can grow money in a seat of political authority instead of wielding the power and interest of the citizenry.

[sagedil]

President Obama lied (like most politicians) to us. He said we're getting out of the war... then he got elected and promptly forgot to mention that he changed his mind and would continue sending even more troops away from their families, friends and loved ones to our generations watered down version of Vietnam.

FWIW, Obama has NOT sent more troops to Iraq, and we are still on schedule to pull the ones that are there out as already has been agreed upon. And Obama has NOT made a decision about more troops for Afghanistan. (which he clearly separated from iraq about during the campaign) So have no clue where you are coming up with he lied about getting us out

[sgreger1]

FWIW, Obama has NOT sent more troops to Iraq, and we are still on schedule to pull the ones that are there out as already has been agreed upon. And Obama has NOT made a decision about more troops for Afghanistan. (which he clearly separated from iraq about during the campaign) So have no clue where you are coming up with he lied about getting us out

If he was anti war it would not have taken him over 100+ days to decide whether to send more troops or not. Also, he is following bushs timeline for withdraw. He is doing nothing different.

[sagedil]

Who the hell ever said Obama was anti war???? He criticized the previous administrations handling of Iraq, and letting Iraq distract us from a much more important situation in Afghanistan. He has been nothing but consistent. And he has been pushing for better answers what to do in Afghanistan. He will not be rushed, about anything. because he believes it far moire importtant to be "right", than looking "tough"

[Fightin Phils]

I thought Obama was going to get us out of all those "immoral wars?" Amazing how the "anti-war" left has been silent now that its their guy doing the warmongering....

I think the whole idea of this occupation in the Middle East is BS...whether its Iraq or Afghanistan. I didn't like George Bush, but Obama is even worse.

I voted for Ron Paul, but the average American lemming is too much of a sheep to vote for anyone other than whatever corrupt chump the media promotes from the Democan or Republicrat parties.

[african redbush]

i will never, ever vote on a bill that attempts to raise taxes. EVER.

why would i want to watch the government piss away my hard earned money? god only knows what they'll really spend the money on...

[sgreger1]

Who the hell ever said Obama was anti war???? He criticized the previous administrations handling of Iraq, and letting Iraq distract us from a much more important situation in Afghanistan. He has been nothing but consistent. And he has been pushing for better answers what to do in Afghanistan. He will not be rushed, about anything. because he believes it far moire importtant to be "right", than looking "tough"

You are correct in that he has been pretty consistent. I think the disconnect is that a lot of people thought he was running on a platform to end the wars, particularly in Iraq and kind of misunderstood him.


However, he HAS added more troops to afghanistan, 17,000 to be exact on 2/18/2009.

WASHINGTON — Barack Obama, whose presidential ambitions were launched by his opposition to one war, moved Tuesday to expand the U.S. deployment in another.
In his first such action as president, Obama ordered an additional 17,000 combat troops to Afghanistan.

If you look at his speach in 2002 where he is opposing the Iraq war, he is saying the same things he's saying today.

That’s what I’m opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.


Now let me be clear — I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity.
I don’t oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income — to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression.

The one thing I do agree with him on is:

I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to make sure our so-called allies in the Middle East, the Saudis and the Egyptians, stop oppressing their own people, and suppressing dissent, and tolerating corruption and inequality, and mismanaging their economies so that their youth grow up without education, without prospects, without hope, the ready recruits of terrorist cells.

Yet first thing he does when he gets in office is visit them and BOW to the Saudi king.