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    #46
    Originally posted by squeezyjohn View Post
    In fact it's a bit like trying to have a sensible discussion about harm reduction using snus with an anti-tobacco zealot.
    or trying to have a sensible discussion with an overweight person who isn't open to ideas that may help them lose weight when they are not willing to consider eating something different then the very diet that made them overweight in the first place.

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      #47
      I am a big believer in Bulletproof Coffee (the grassfed butter/coffee combo, not upgraded coffee sold by bulletproofexec), it tastes amazing and gives lots of engergy, and if you're on keto it works really well (I lost a significant amount of weight this way at one point doing this). The thing with Dave Asprey though is that he makes bullshit claims and while his coffee is definitely yummy and high quality, the whole mycotoxin thing is debunked and even Joe Rogan is throwing him under the bus for it now that they did the tests and revealed that his MCT oil and coffee arne't anything particularly special. Still a good tasting coffee, just way overpriced.

      Still the best way to take your coffee though. A huge heap of butter in your morning Joe, I would be hard pressed to find something more American than that (unless maybe they sold it at Walmart next to the ammo isle).

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        #48
        Nice to see you sgreger1 ;-)
        Squeezyjohn

        Sometimes wrong and sometimes right .... but ALWAYS certain!!!

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          #49
          I'm generally distrustful of "special" diets. I'm probably not quite as blasé about health as I stated, but health concern is only a modifier of the whole. Take smoking for instance. I didn't start snus to quit smoking, and had no intention of quitting smoking. I enjoyed snus, and smoked less, so I figured it would be better to quit altogether(for health reasons). Dropping the smoking didn't take much from my life, so I was ok with it. Quit eating cheese cause it's high in fat? Go fsck yourself. I'd rather die early eating what I want, than live forever.

          I'm very conservative with most things, and think change should be glacial. That means I prefer time tested food with minimal modern processing. I also prefer not to eat proprietary food, but that's hard to do anymore. Proprietary food is an abomination that shouldn't exist. I also like aesthetically pleasing food. Salt hand gathered by Bretagne Celts tastes better than Mortons... Ok, maybe it doesn't; maybe it does; I don't know, but the perception is it does, and it supports small industry, so it tastes better to me.

          So... In summary of this disjointed post, I believe in eating traditionally, simply, and not being a pig. I'd rather support my neighbor, or the little guy across the world, than a publicly traded company, and if I have to think too much to eat, or do any kind of math, I'm doing it wrong.

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            #50
            Originally posted by piks101 View Post
            Squeezy, I thought you said not to make your point but not to personally criticize? Your post above say's otherwise... "Anyone who tells you otherwise is either stupid and gullible, or delusional with an eating disorder.

            Also, I did not know you were so fat as you stated above. I think that is good info to know, so that people can consider the source when it comes to health and nutrition and your opinions regarding the matter.
            I do apologise for jumping in to the thread without actually reading any of the replies that had gone before mine ... I didn't realise at that point that there was anyone here who actually believed in the "grass fed butter is a superfood - eat it every day" stuff. Had I read that you were a believer I would have phrased it in a less offensive manner.

            As to my body size - I was having a little joke - I'm certainly not underweight, but I'm also pretty much the same size as my father, grandfather and great grandfather (and he lived to over 100) - I'm pretty happy with my body - I should probably drink a bit less and do a bit more exercise mind you! I grow a lot of my own food and prepare all my meals myself when I'm at home so I like to think I'm giving it the right stuff for the main part.

            I have no objection to anyone eating whatever diet they want to no matter how ridiculous it is. I only take issue when people actively promote diets that have dubious scientific evidence in order to promote products (or more often it's to reassure themselves that they haven't been taken in by the lie). If you look hard enough on the internet you can find dubious evidence to prove that the most ridiculous diets make you healthier.
            Squeezyjohn

            Sometimes wrong and sometimes right .... but ALWAYS certain!!!

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              #51
              Originally posted by lxskllr View Post
              I'm generally distrustful of "special" diets. I'm probably not quite as blasé about health as I stated, but health concern is only a modifier of the whole. Take smoking for instance. I didn't start snus to quit smoking, and had no intention of quitting smoking. I enjoyed snus, and smoked less, so I figured it would be better to quit altogether(for health reasons). Dropping the smoking didn't take much from my life, so I was ok with it. Quit eating cheese cause it's high in fat? Go fsck yourself. I'd rather die early eating what I want, than live forever.

              I'm very conservative with most things, and think change should be glacial. That means I prefer time tested food with minimal modern processing. I also prefer not to eat proprietary food, but that's hard to do anymore. Proprietary food is an abomination that shouldn't exist. I also like aesthetically pleasing food. Salt hand gathered by Bretagne Celts tastes better than Mortons... Ok, maybe it doesn't; maybe it does; I don't know, but the perception is it does, and it supports small industry, so it tastes better to me.

              So... In summary of this disjointed post, I believe in eating traditionally, simply, and not being a pig. I'd rather support my neighbor, or the little guy across the world, than a publicly traded company, and if I have to think too much to eat, or do any kind of math, I'm doing it wrong.
              This is not a special diet. A lot of those that lean towards Paleo and Weston A. Price type diets find simply replacing cream and sugar with grassfed butter and mct oil (which is natural part of coconut and palm oil) supports weight loss, energy and mental clarity. I agree on the salt as well, I use Himalayan salt but would use Celtic salt as well. I also try to avoid all processed foods. I buy local and regional when ever possible. I have 1/4 hind section of grassfed beef from my local farmer in my freezer now. I get my eggs from a farmer 3 miles down the road. The eggs are $3.00 a dozen and the farmer just puts them in a fridge outside the pole barn with a little bin to pay on the honor system. The customers return the egg cartons, so they can be re-used again. I do not do any math for percentage of actual calories or weigh my food etc.. I just eat to fullness other than fired perch which I tend to overeat . I mentioned some percentage/calories earlier but that was just from the paleo diet version I follow. I think I am in the ranges but I don't actualy calculate myself. I would put a gun to my head rather than do a weight watchers counting calories type diet. I am all about dairy and cheese love it. I think it is healthy for those that tolerate well but I have a casein allergy that I hope to overcome sooner than later. I still eat dairy form time time to time but always feel the effects.

              Asprey really doesn't have any proprietary food from a patent standpoint he just claims his product are ultra pure and tested. Proprietary to me is GMO's where a neighbors crop gets pollinated due to cross pollination and Monsanto knocks on his door to have him pay him for using their patented seeds or be sued or potentially lose his farm fighting the legal battle. Down right evil to me.

              Dave Asprey, is also a hacker like Tim Ferriss looking for shortcuts and cutting edge ways of improving health and performance. Many of the ideas are not doable or untested. Again, I like his BP coffee and he has some other interesting ideas but he is not the type of person you would follow across the board, he is radical by design.
              Last edited by piks101; 08-06-14, 04:11 PM.

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                #52
                the voice of reason and diplomacy returns!

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                  #53
                  i just ate two cornish pasties in a row. i think something may be wrong with me

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                    #54
                    Originally posted by piks101 View Post

                    Asprey really doesn't have any proprietary food from a patent standpoint he just claims his product are ultra pure and tested. Proprietary to me is GMO's where a neighbors crop gets pollinated due to cross pollination and Monsanto knocks on his door to have him pay him for using their patented seeds or be sued or potentially lose his farm fighting the legal battle. Down right evil to me.
                    That wasn't really an opinion on Asprey, or even commercial food. I was talking about GMO crops, and proprietary seeds where farmers can't keep grain to plant for the next year. I was jut rambling, and trying to fit my food philosophy in as small a space as possible. I don't like writing, so I end up trying to cram too many ideas into little room, where none of it ends up making sense. I suppose I should just focus on a small portion at a time, but then I have the nagging feeling I'm leaving stuff out :^D

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                      #55
                      Originally posted by squeezyjohn View Post
                      I do apologise for jumping in to the thread without actually reading any of the replies that had gone before mine ... I didn't realise at that point that there was anyone here who actually believed in the "grass fed butter is a superfood - eat it every day" stuff. Had I read that you were a believer I would have phrased it in a less offensive manner.

                      As to my body size - I was having a little joke - I'm certainly not underweight, but I'm also pretty much the same size as my father, grandfather and great grandfather (and he lived to over 100) - I'm pretty happy with my body - I should probably drink a bit less and do a bit more exercise mind you! I grow a lot of my own food and prepare all my meals myself when I'm at home so I like to think I'm giving it the right stuff for the main part.

                      I have no objection to anyone eating whatever diet they want to no matter how ridiculous it is. I only take issue when people actively promote diets that have dubious scientific evidence in order to promote products (or more often it's to reassure themselves that they haven't been taken in by the lie). If you look hard enough on the internet you can find dubious evidence to prove that the most ridiculous diets make you healthier.
                      Well first off, I meant to go back and edit to overweight but used your phrasing. I do not like that term to describe someone. I might call myself fat but I wouldn't call someone else fat, as that is just rude. I was the eat anything, anytime type and slowly started have various health issues, acid reflux, sinus/migraine headaches, allergies, difficulty breathing normally, overweight etc.. and I was a person that was used to feeling good, not being over weight, participating in sports etc.. I went to doctors for solutions and was basically advised to take prilosec, ibuprofen, and allergy medications well it just got worse. So at that point, I checked with some friends and one suggested the paleo diet. After 30 days, I started to feel like myself. In less than two months I dropped 20lbs, acid reflux, allergies, headaches, breathing issues and lack of energy all cleared and sleep was off the charts. I was back to sleeping deeply with vivid dreams which I forgot about as I hadn't had for sometime. Overall lost between 30-40lbs, so yeah I am a believer. I settled into the PHD version of Paleo because dairy and non toxic carbs are still on the menu. If I really missed grains that had gluten I would follow the Weston A Price teachings which explain the grain preparation methods to unlock nutrients and eliminate or minimize toxins used by traditional cultures that sustained their very existence. These methods and the actual grains used then are rarely used for the most part and I think no longer using the quality grains (gmo/pesticide free) and preparing foods in the traditional ways has played a large part in the autoimmune issues and poor health we see today.
                      Last edited by piks101; 08-06-14, 05:01 PM.

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                        #56
                        Originally posted by lxskllr View Post
                        That wasn't really an opinion on Asprey, or even commercial food. I was talking about GMO crops, and proprietary seeds where farmers can't keep grain to plant for the next year. I was jut rambling, and trying to fit my food philosophy in as small a space as possible. I don't like writing, so I end up trying to cram too many ideas into little room, where none of it ends up making sense. I suppose I should just focus on a small portion at a time, but then I have the nagging feeling I'm leaving stuff out :^D
                        Gotcha I am lock step with you on the GMO's issue. Let's see how patenting the human genome plays out that is another big business end around on our personal rights and health.
                        Last edited by piks101; 08-06-14, 04:51 PM.

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                          #57
                          Originally posted by sirloot View Post
                          i gots a magic peanut that will let ya see around corners !
                          Ok, that comment was out of left field...lol

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                            #58
                            I'd like to buy ten dozen of your peanuts SirLoot - how much?
                            Squeezyjohn

                            Sometimes wrong and sometimes right .... but ALWAYS certain!!!

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                              #59
                              I really do understand the reasoning behind the paleo diets - and it makes tremendous sense to attempt to eat the kinds of foods our ancestors would have eaten for the hundreds of thousands of years we evolved to adapt to that low carb, high fat and protein diet.

                              However - it only makes sense to me if it is used in conjunction with the massive amounts physical exercise which our ancestors must have exerted simply in order to live that way without agriculture. Add in to that the fact that humans used to regularly go through long periods unable to get food and coming close to starvation which would have drastically altered their metabolism in a way modern fasting can never achieve - and a life expectancy around the late twenties with almost no individuals making it beyond 50 at all - and as we know the ageing process really changes the nutrition people need.

                              If it was presented like that - without it looking like an over-simplification - then it would be a whole lot easier to see if it was possible to even exist on that diet while holding down a modern day job where physical exercise while you work is not an option.
                              Squeezyjohn

                              Sometimes wrong and sometimes right .... but ALWAYS certain!!!

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                                #60
                                Originally posted by squeezyjohn View Post
                                I really do understand the reasoning behind the paleo diets - and it makes tremendous sense to attempt to eat the kinds of foods our ancestors would have eaten for the hundreds of thousands of years we evolved to adapt to that low carb, high fat and protein diet.

                                However - it only makes sense to me if it is used in conjunction with the massive amounts physical exercise which our ancestors must have exerted simply in order to live that way without agriculture. Add in to that the fact that humans used to regularly go through long periods unable to get food and coming close to starvation which would have drastically altered their metabolism in a way modern fasting can never achieve - and a life expectancy around the late twenties with almost no individuals making it beyond 50 at all - and as we know the ageing process really changes the nutrition people need.

                                If it was presented like that - without it looking like an over-simplification - then it would be a whole lot easier to see if it was possible to even exist on that diet while holding down a modern day job where physical exercise while you work is not an option.
                                This is similar to the snus and dip differences. Yes, they are both tobacco products but one is processed differently which makes all the difference. I have a modern day job at my desk with 12 plus hour days at my desk. I do have a cheap MOD, so I can spend the majority of the time standing but I am not doing much moving to speak of and I workout once a week under 30 minutes following the BBS protocol (video below) doing 1 set of heavy weights on machines to failure on 7 different machines and that's it. Going on 3 years now and I have kept fit and have gotten stronger. The way this way of eating achieve and maintain your weight is that you end up eating less calories than a carb based diet because your body is satiated from the fat in the diet whereas a carb predominant diet requires more frequent feedings to feel satiated and maintain energy. I rarely snack not because I don't like snack but because I'm just not hungry. I consume significantly less calories as someone during the paleolithic period that was very active but I am eating the same basic foods just less of them, so that is how it works in modern society.

                                I eat carbs with every meal, so I am pro carbs. I just get them from gluten free grains and potatoes and I add vinegar, lime/lemon juice, and some saturated/mono fat not poly vegetable oils or seed oils to lower the glycemic index and reduce inflammation.

                                Last edited by piks101; 08-06-14, 09:07 PM.

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