Thoughts on becoming a "Sovereign/Free Man"

[lxskllr]

It's hardly the same, but I guess my reasons for doing it are the same ;
Next year I'll be doing something called WOOFing which is basically a programme where you do volunteer work on farms in exchange for food and shelter, but no pay. In effect it allows me to travel throughout several different countries and being "off the grid" for some time. It's kind of a pilgrimage for me and I'm very excited. The problem with it is that it seems to be mostly hippie-types that do it, instead of just people wanting to get away and do some good ol' hard work. With the job market in the state that it is currently in I find that it is a great way to use my time.
In Denmark we have something that is somewhat like a Sovereign society" ; A part of the capital is called Christiania and it is this off the grid hippie-community. Basically as long as you obey by their rules (No violence, no hard drugs and no-something-I-don't-remember) you're free to stay and the police doesn't bother interfering with the society, especially since it's a great tourist attraction.

Sounds pretty awesome. There's a sovereign computing movement, though it's pretty small. The basic tenets are you control your data, and the distribution thereof...

http://www.advogato.org/article/808.html

It's kind of idealistic, but the principles are solid, and more necessary every day with corporate and government data mining. It also decentralizes communications which is what the internet was meant to be rather than a centrally controlled core with users connecting as lowly clients. If you're technically inclined you might find it a rewarding use of your time.

[Mdisch]

That sounds like it would be a pretty fun thing to do. Never heard of it until now.

It is kind of "free-spirit" hippie thingy, since all the farms are organic(but I'm cool with that) - It's mainly a european thing, but a few young Americans seem to do it as well, and you can do it all over Europe and South America(And possibly africa?).
You have to pay a fee tho', which is about 10$ per year to the local WOOFing organization, but if you only stay in one country/zone it shouldn't be a problem. You also pay for your own travels, but apart from that your "employer" pays for everything else(not new clothes tho')

[texasmade]

It's hardly the same, but I guess my reasons for doing it are the same ;
Next year I'll be doing something called WOOFing which is basically a programme where you do volunteer work on farms in exchange for food and shelter, but no pay. In effect it allows me to travel throughout several different countries and being "off the grid" for some time. It's kind of a pilgrimage for me and I'm very excited. The problem with it is that it seems to be mostly hippie-types that do it, instead of just people wanting to get away and do some good ol' hard work. With the job market in the state that it is currently in I find that it is a great way to use my time.
In Denmark we have something that is somewhat like a Sovereign society" ; A part of the capital is called Christiania and it is this off the grid hippie-community. Basically as long as you obey by their rules (No violence, no hard drugs and no-something-I-don't-remember) you're free to stay and the police doesn't bother interfering with the society, especially since it's a great tourist attraction.

That sounds like it would be a pretty fun thing to do. Never heard of it until now.

[Mdisch]

It's hardly the same, but I guess my reasons for doing it are the same ;
Next year I'll be doing something called WOOFing which is basically a programme where you do volunteer work on farms in exchange for food and shelter, but no pay. In effect it allows me to travel throughout several different countries and being "off the grid" for some time. It's kind of a pilgrimage for me and I'm very excited. The problem with it is that it seems to be mostly hippie-types that do it, instead of just people wanting to get away and do some good ol' hard work. With the job market in the state that it is currently in I find that it is a great way to use my time.
In Denmark we have something that is somewhat like a Sovereign society" ; A part of the capital is called Christiania and it is this off the grid hippie-community. Basically as long as you obey by their rules (No violence, no hard drugs and no-something-I-don't-remember) you're free to stay and the police doesn't bother interfering with the society, especially since it's a great tourist attraction.

[whalen]

Well, if you do go to the meetings, I would avoid the Kool aid...............

[sirloot]

yeah if it were that simple or easy im thinkin half of america would have done it after the last election.


its a cool idea an would be awesome to live a self-sustaining off the grid type lifestyle in the middle of nowhere

[texasmade]

No, no no. I have met some of the members of the sovereign citizens movement, and as a gun-toting, militia supporting person myself, I have to say these people are batshit ****ing insane and dangerous. I mean like Tim McVeigh was a lefty liberal pro-government stooge compared to these people.

No idea what your motivations are for wanting to do the sovereign citizen thing but don't get involved with the other members of this movement as literally they are dangerous people, like the KKK would make nice friends compared to these people i've met. Complete, full blown anti-gov revolution starts tomorrow type people.

Lol so I've read. I had no plans to get involved with any members of the movement or the movement at all. It was more of a solo venture type idea for me.

[sgreger1]

No, no no. I have met some of the members of the sovereign citizens movement, and as a gun-toting, militia supporting person myself, I have to say these people are batshit ****ing insane and dangerous. I mean like Tim McVeigh was a lefty liberal pro-government stooge compared to these people.

No idea what your motivations are for wanting to do the sovereign citizen thing but don't get involved with the other members of this movement as literally they are dangerous people, like the KKK would make nice friends compared to these people i've met. Complete, full blown anti-gov revolution starts tomorrow type people.

[SnusoMatic]

ive studied read about it for years. Before someone comes along as says I am full of crap just save your time because I know people disagree with me on this.

Is the question can a person follow all the steps and "really" as in realistically in the legal sense of the term become a "Sovereign/Free Man"? No. Not at all. Anyone who says they have avoided any sort of legal stuff by becoming a "Sovereign/Free Man" is kidding themselves and others. I have seen times when a judge just turned a blind eye to so guy fighting a parking ticket to avoid CNN coming to his courtroom. But no, it don't work in the realistic legal sense of the term. If it did work I would have done it years ago. All it does is get you put on watch lists.

[lxskllr]

If you enjoy constant court dates, go ahead. The movement is far too legalistic for my tastes, but highly educational.

Wikipedia on the subject...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovere...tizen_movement

Looks like a good way to cause yourself pain. I suspect many of the principles are technically valid, but found not to be so because that's what the government wants. You can be right all you want, but if the 300# guy with the machine gun and dungeon says you're wrong; you're wrong.

[Zimobog]

If you enjoy constant court dates, go ahead. The movement is far too legalistic for my tastes, but highly educational.

[OregonNative]

I've read the FBI classifications of "Sovereign citizens" and from where I view it, if I were to go through with the process I wouldn't want to go through any groups or sites that want me to pay for information or help simply because I don't know where the money goes and I could get all the information for free myself. I know that before it is done it would be smart to have a means to make money that wouldn't get you in trouble with any sort of legal system and be able to fully support yourself.

Let us know what you find out. I'm curious about how all of this would work.

[texasmade]

Links? I'm vaguely aware of the concept, and support the ideals, but I assume you're talking about a legal sense, and I know nothing of that.

All the links are on my other computer. I'll try to get some up a little later.

I'd think about it strongly. Breaking off any government ties could mean great difficulties in obtaining work, traveling, buying a house, etc. Besides the obvious, it seems like a lot of people who become Sovereign citizens are usually hardcore anti-government types.

"The United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) classifies "sovereign citizens" among domestic terror threats as anti-government extremists."

I don't know enough about the subject to really comment, but it's an interesting concept none the less. I'm not saying I'm opposed to the idea of it, I just don't know enough to really have a conversation about it.

I've read the FBI classifications of "Sovereign citizens" and from where I view it, if I were to go through with the process I wouldn't want to go through any groups or sites that want me to pay for information or help simply because I don't know where the money goes and I could get all the information for free myself. I know that before it is done it would be smart to have a means to make money that wouldn't get you in trouble with any sort of legal system and be able to fully support yourself.

[OregonNative]

I'd think about it carefully. Breaking off any/all government ties could mean great difficulties in obtaining work, traveling, buying a house, etc. Besides the obvious, it seems like a lot of people who become Sovereign citizens are usually hardcore anti-government types.

I'm not suggesting you are wanting to do this, I'm just saying for anyone interested, they should really consider how difficult life could become by cutting all ties to any government/nationality.

"The United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) classifies "sovereign citizens" among domestic terror threats as anti-government extremists."

I don't know enough about the subject to really comment, but it's an interesting concept none the less. I'm not saying I'm opposed to the idea of it, I just don't know enough to really have a conversation about it.

[lxskllr]

Links? I'm vaguely aware of the concept, and support the ideals, but I assume you're talking about a legal sense, and I know nothing of that.