Washington State Bill to outlaw all Flavored and Portioned Snus

[stubby2]

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summ...2011&bill=5380

The bill itself

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/bil...Bills/5380.pdf

18 No person shall sell, distribute, offer for sale, or allow to
19 be sold or distributed any tobacco product or any component part
20 thereof that:
21 (a) Has or produces a distinguishable flavor, taste, or aroma other
22 than tobacco that can be readily perceived by a consumer or other
23 person through their sense of taste or smell either prior to or during
24 consumption;
25 (b) Does not have or produce such a distinguishable flavor, taste,
26 or aroma but is nevertheless labeled, advertised or otherwise marketed
27 by its manufacturer or its importer into the United States as having or
28 producing such a distinguishable flavor, taste, or aroma; or
29 (c) Includes, contains, or is comprised of capsular smokeless
30 tobacco.
31 (2) For the purposes of this section:
32 (a) "Capsular smokeless tobacco" means any product containing
33 tobacco that is intended or expected for oral consumption that does not
34 consist of loose tobacco and is offered in discrete single dose or
35 single use lozenges, pouches, pills, capsules, or other single dose or
36 single use units or in packages of such single dose or single use
37 units.

This is a death sentence for snus in Washington state. No flavored smokeless and no portioned snus. Don't know if the bill will pass but this is a disaster.

[AtreyuKun]

That's ****ed up. But then again, the 90% tax rate would have killed it for me anyway.

[snusgetter]

Our message is very clear...

[snusgetter]

[chadizzy1]

What the **** is up with WA?

[Veganpunk]

You know it's just a matter of time before it spreads all over the country.

[Roo]

Oh yeah I saw this in the Seattle Times recently. I guess I didn't take it very seriously because I'd forgotten about it. I tend to doubt it will pass. ****ing nannies, I mean seriously... I can buy an AR-15, a bottle of Everclear, a set of throwing knives, a party-pack of glazed donuts, a tank of nitrous, a couple strap-ons and some midget porn and they want to take away my right to buy a can of General? Or more accurately, Camel SNUS? Give me a break, Olympia.

[truthwolf1]

By reducing youth access to tobacco products, the legislature intends
to reduce youth tobacco use rates and reduce the number of today's
children who will grow up to become addicted users, suffer from tobacco
use, and die prematurely from it.


This crap will spread to other states. I really wonder why my liberal Nanny state did not think of it first.

So, Tobacco first,

then alcohol, then fast food, then physical sports, then violent video games, destructive/rebellious music, non globalist approved history, then


F#CK YOU! YOU ARE A CAGED, DEFEATED HUMAN SOUL.

[snusgetter]

...
So, Tobacco first,
then alcohol, then fast food, then physical sports, then violent video games, destructive/rebellious music, non globalist approved history, then
F#CK YOU! YOU ARE A CAGED, DEFEATED HUMAN SOUL.

There are so many aspects to banning all vestiges of tobacco that all other things will take a backseat or piecemeal approach for a long time coming.

Except for alcohol -- it really has no seat on the bus: drunk driving is the big bogeyman and legislation in that area will ensure enough positive response that that will be the extent of of its range. Alcohol, along with guns, is ingrained sufficiently in the American psyche that politicians tread lightly, or just make enough noise to sound concerned. Put alcohol and cigars in the same boat and you can bet no politician is going to sink it.

[truthwolf1]

There are so many aspects to banning all vestiges of tobacco that all other things will take a backseat or piecemeal approach for a long time coming.

Except for alcohol -- it really has no seat on the bus: drunk driving is the big bogeyman and legislation in that area will ensure enough positive response that that will be the extent of of its range. Alcohol, along with guns, is ingrained sufficiently in the American psyche that politicians tread lightly, or just make enough noise to sound concerned. Put alcohol and cigars in the same boat and you can bet no politician is going to sink it.

Agreed it will take some time but dont think it will not happen.

Anti-alcohol activists are also employing many of the same tactics used by anti-tobacco forces. To limit alcohol supply, modern prohibitionists call for high excise taxes, bans in public venues such as parks or at sporting events, and restrictive zoning laws -- just as anti-tobacco groups did. These groups also follow the tobacco model by calling for an advertising ban, industry-funded anti-product marketing, and massive scare campaigns to demonize all consumption, no matter how responsible.

Constitutional Prohibition has been universally acknowledged as a failure. Attempts to engineer personal behavior via government control don't work. So the modern prohibitionists are seeking to establish cultural prohibition by classifying adult beverages as an illicit drug that is unacceptable in general society.

And that's how it all started the first time.

http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/Con...064430452.html

[Mykislt]

I blame camel.

[CoderGuy]

As f***ed up as WA is it will most likely sail through to the gov and be signed in a couple months. Remember people, WA had a PACT act before the rest of the country did. They drafted, voted, and passed into law "our" PACT act in 3 months. Then eventually the rest of the country followed. I have no doubt that once it passes here there will be an amendment to the national PACT act with the same restrictions.

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I have been going on about the anti's doing this s**t for a couple years. They will not be satisfied until all forms of tobacco are illegal. Period. And once that happens (PACT naysayers beware) they will pick a new target, and succeed as we let them get so much power (probably too late now anyway, they have all the power already.)
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[TommyGunBC]

Washington state sucks for Tobacco enthusiasts , I'm going down tomorrow and was hoping to be able to pick up some American snuffs , and mabye some General snus , but to no avail all the tobacco shops in Bellingham all carry the Marlboro and Camel and Skoal CRAP !! and WA law now doesn't allow the sale of Nasal snuffs , well I guess the only tobacco goodies I will be able to get is some Dip (Yuck) but I want to try out the Grizzly wintergreen just for shits and giggles even though I really do hate dip

[Monkey]

This law is BULLSHIT. PACT was bad enough. I'm not even in WA and i am pissed. I am tired of all of this bullshit. The government is trying to step in where parents are failing. **** the kids. If they start smoking blame and penalize the parents. If my kid gets caught trying to buy a pack of smokes underage I deserve to be fined. Don't punish the rest of us because parents aren't doing their jobs.

[CoderGuy]

This law is BULLSHIT. PACT was bad enough. I'm not even in WA and i am pissed. I am tired of all of this bullshit. The government is trying to step in where parents are failing. **** the kids. If they start smoking blame and penalize the parents. If my kid gets caught trying to buy a pack of smokes underage I deserve to be fined. Don't punish the rest of us because parents aren't doing their jobs.

I agree.

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The problem is the supposed 75% of non-smokers don't care about smoker's rights (more accurately, "people that are smokers" rights). When any of these things happen they automatically say, "Oh, it's for the children so I will vote for it" and the politicians are worse as no matter how they personally feel, if they don't vote "for the children" it makes them look bad. Inherently people don't care about something unless it affects them. The thing they don't realize is once the anti's they have given all the power to by allowing this s**t to happen are done with tobacco, they will turn to other things that actually DO affect them, and then the idiots will be crying, "What about our rights? You can't control how I live my life! How did this happen??" F**cken idiots, m********* s****** C******* F*****.... <sigh>
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