Camel: Doing Snus The Right Way?

[snusgetter]

A quick sidenote

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DOWN IN THE BARRIO

While searching for Camel snus sweeteners/ingredients I ran head-on into these definitions from The Urban Dictionary.

I thought I'd make your day by sharing these 3 urban definitions of snus with you.

Such words of wisdom:

4. Snus

A great alternative for when you can't smoke. Camel Snus is the best. Such a sin only a fistful of stores on the east coast sell it. You can also save the little tin for stuff like loose change. While the tin says the flavor lasts up to 30 minutes I have chewed some for up to 3 hours.


6. Snus

1. (Intrasitive verb): the partaking of a Camel Snus spitfree tobacco pouch and subsequently enjoying the smooth, calming euphoric effect that results.

2. (Imperative): the act of requesting a Camel Snus.

3. (Noun): A specialized form of tobacco-filled pouch as marketed by tobacco mogul, Camel. The unique pouch design allows for the transfer of nicotine while minimizing the release of tobacco secretions.


10. snus

some ****in' brown soily shit, which the user rams under their top lip to put nicotine into their gums and therefor their bloodstream. banned in the EU (thank ****), snus is one step down from being a smoker, and is only really likely to give you mouth cancer and make you look like a chipmunk

the scandinavians only contributions to the world are meatballs and snus. that's a pretty shit legacy

[truthwolf1]

The 13mg Winterchill nic hit felt more like a discreet 6-7mg.

[snusgetter]

Glad to see they came out with a stronger version. I still have no plans to buy any more of their products until they lose the artificial sweetners.
I want to be able to taste the tobacco. The tobacco should be the dominate flavour, the flavourings should be condiments that enhance the tobacco, not the other way around.

My thoughts exactly.

But since taste is so subjective, I'd like to find out for myself if this is an acceptable product for me.

Ingredients-wise I think they're pretty close to acknowledging the same basic info as most of our trusted Swedish brands.

Now it's time to check under the hood, so to speak, and see if there might be some hidden crap we're leery of.

[justintempler]

Glad to see they came out with a stronger version. I still have no plans to buy any more of their products until they lose the artificial sweetners.
I want to be able to taste the tobacco. The tobacco should be the dominate flavour, the flavourings should be condiments that enhance the tobacco, not the other way around.

[snusgetter]

Here is a link to the official Camel Snus web site: https://snus.tobaccopleasure.com/mod...ity/Login.aspx

I provided all the requested info and they still won't let me sign up.

Tim

It might not have liked your phone number!!

btw, cell phones are generally classified as unpublished/unlisted
since there is no central repository for the numbers.

Try putting an age to that!!

[snusgetter]

If you go to Camel's actual website, their SNUS site and look under FAQ's, Camel states that there is some sort of sweetener in their products, I want to say aspartame, if my memory is right. They list the amount too. I would go to the site and do the research, but I've got other things to do....

I went to the site and I find their registration process bothersome.

We don't telemarket. An accurate phone number helps us verify your age, Please make sure it matches your zip code.

What a bunch of hooey! A phone number has nothing to do with your age. What if the number isn't in your name? What if it's an unpublished number (which mine is)? Verizon doesn't even have my age associated with the phone number. Nor is there a zip code associated with my age. I also have a cell phone. Do they want that info also? I smell SCAM!


I'll pass and keep trying to find another source.


I did find R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company | Brand Compounds which has a listing of all their brands' ingredients ........ EXCEPT for the Camel Snus (which is listed but comes up empty). I think it's just a matter of updating the info for the new Camel snus (then again, maybe not!). Worth checking out just for curiosity's sake (you'd be surprised at how many sweeteners alone that Camel unfiltered has!).

[ratcheer]

Here is a link to the official Camel Snus web site: https://snus.tobaccopleasure.com/mod...ity/Login.aspx

I provided all the requested info and they still won't let me sign up.

Tim

[desirexe]

If you go to Camel's actual website, their SNUS site and look under FAQ's, Camel states that there is some sort of sweetener in their products, I want to say aspartame, if my memory is right. They list the amount too. I would go to the site and do the research, but I've got other things to do....

[snusgetter]

Is Wikipedia really a good source to go off of?

Wikipedia is certainly not perfect but this isn't the Wikipedia most people are familiar with...

This one is maintained by Tobacco Products dot org.

This Wikiproducts site focuses primarily on novel, "harm reduction", oral, or potential reduced exposure products (PREPs). In the future we hope to add other tobacco products.

Right now, it's the best I can find and it seems legitimate.

If I find other sources I'll post them, too.

[snusgetter]

If these do have the sweetener, aspartame, I thought that had to be specifically listed, like it is on sodas, due to this condition some people have that can't have it. I don't see it listed here.

Like you, I assume that to be correct but since it isn't listed

1. it doesn't contain aspartame; or
2. maybe it is exempt for non-food items not in the FDA food jurisdiction (snus is controlled in Sweden just like food products but in the US I don't believe that to be the case)

In any event, I'm doing more research on this product and if/when I find more I'll definitely post it.

Then again, maybe one of our other members might have some pertinent info, especially on the sweetener used.

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As for me, I'm hoping to find the new Camel snus soon, if only to satisfy my own curiosity.

[KCOLLINS18]

More Info: Camel Snus - Tobacco Product

Is Wikipedia really a good source to go off of?

[snusgetter]

What website did you find the product chemistry on?

More Info: Camel Snus - Tobacco Product

[KCOLLINS18]

What website did you find the product chemistry on?

[tom502]

If these do have the sweetener, aspartame, I thought that had to be specifically listed, like it is on sodas, due to this condition some people have that can't have it. I don't see it listed here.

[snusgetter]

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Getting down to the nitty gritty

It appears Camel is finally getting serious in making its presence known in the snus market. Camel's initial attempts, not unlike Marlboro's, was to re-invent the wheel, so to speak, and claim ownership of a new means of nicotine transmittal. Failing that, it seems to have embraced the Swedish ancestry of snus and is now intent to improve on it for the American marketplace. This is a righteous approach ... but can Camel measure up to the task?

Consider:

In July 2010, Camel snus was completely redesigned. Not only was the container improved upon, the pouches are now larger and contain more moisture and nicotine. All four flavors: Mellow, Robust, Frost, and Winterchill will now be distributed nationally.

Camel snus is a spitless, Swedish-style dry snuff which has lower TSNA levels and is potentially less harmful than other [smokeless tobacco] products. The product is the first smokeless tobacco product to be marketed by a cigarette company in the US, and appears to have been developed to appeal to smokers. Camel snus is pasteurized which inhibits development the of TSNAs. Camel snus also has low salt, which produces less saliva and reduces the need for spitting.

PRODUCT CHEMISTRY
• Ingredients
◦ pasteurized tobacco
◦ water (33% moisture content)
◦ pouch materials
◦ flavorants
◦ sodium carbonate
◦ sodium chloride
• Nicotine levels
◦ 8mg nicotine (Mellow, Frost) and 13mg nicotine (Robust, Winterchill) per pouch
◦ 2.4mg unbound nicotine per gram of tobacco (1.44mg per pouch)
• TSNA level
◦ 1.3ug per gram of tobacco

What's interesting here is that the ingredients are much the same as Swedish snus.

Nicotine levels are in line with the regular snus products: 8mg/pouch for Mellow and Frost; 13mg/pouch for Robust and Winterchill (equivalent to the Swedisk Sterks).

The real noticeable difference (at this time) between Camel and the Swedish snus is in the marketing:

Cross-promotions with cigarettes have been employed with free coupons for Camel snus being provided with Reynolds cigarette products. Because of cross-marketing with cigarettes and promotion among the smoker market, it appears that camel snus is designed to be used in conjunction with cigarettes.

CLAIMS
• you can receive pleasure anywhere.
• be the first one on your block to try camel snus, a different way to do tobacco.
• snus is a different kind of smokeless tobacco because it's pasteurized, whereas moist snuff is fermented.
• the camel snus web site suggests using its product at a concert, right in front of security, on a jet from Miami to L.A. Or at a bar or club.

More Info: Camel Snus - Tobacco Products

Whereas Swedish snus has been touted for years as a safer alternative to smoking, Camel (and Marlboro) marketing is geared toward snus as a temporary replacement for those times when cigarettes are prohibited or inconvenient.

This approach, IMO, is highly conducive to attracting the American smoker without relinquishing established cigarette markets. Attaching the snus brand to the cigarette brand keeps the two firmly entrenched in a smoker's mind as go-together products: for when you can smoke and for when you can't. An apparent win-win situation for the manufacturers and the smoking consumer as well. Only time, though, will determine the effectiveness of this approach. If a smoker decides to quit puffing, the makeup of the new Camel snus makes it a true competitor to the Swedish.


If you've had occasion to try any of the new Camel snus flavors, let us know your thoughts about them.