‘Mother F***er Racist Sons of B**ches From Hell’

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[Snusdog]

I took some time to analyse what you said... You could pretty much wedge that interpretation onto every debate in the history of man... But still... Well put, Dog.

Not exactly

You have been posting a lot on formal logic of late. In terms of formal logic the entire discussion on both sides has failed due to the fallacy of an "undistributed middle"

Each side is arguing for a certain social norm based on individual rights. However, as of yet no one has demonstrated how proving a point is one sphere has any relevance to the other sphere. the middling term is undistributed.

Peace

[Crow]

Not exactly.....society has determined on rational, moral, and scientific grounds that melatonin does not determine species. Regardless of how popular....or which side of the debate over same sex you promote...........the same cannot be said.......(and please........I am not saying that one side is less human than the other..........rather I am saying that neither side has demonstrated that their view is the legitimate expression of said humanity.....mainly because neither side can clearly articulate what it means to be human....both as individual and an individual in society)

I like Elephant tusks....I want Elephant tusks....I demand my right to own Elephant tusks and not to be excluded by the prejudice of the owners of plastic goods............is that all there is to it ..........or does the discussion encompassed a wider spectrum of consideration...........if so........what spectrum and why.............is that spectrum limited to the matter at hand......or is it indicative of a wider stance towards the world..........if you have no idea what I am talking about.............Why not?........is it that I am stupid......or is it that this entire debate has missed the essential elements of the debate necessary to adjudicate the resolve.

Just because your buddy Joe and his step daughter Linda as well as a guy in your office named Ralf agree with your position does not mean that (a) you have grasped the fundamental issue at stake.....or (b) that you are correct in your resolve of that issue.....regardless of how popular in your own selective circle that resolve may be.

My problem with all the answers given in this entire discussion (on both sides) is that none of these answers exhibit a basic understanding of the question...........we are merely playing darts in the dark with no idea of where the target is located or even if there is a target…..we are simply parroting the blindness of our favorite talk shows and columnists

As such, the truly tragic in all this is not that one side may win out over the other.....but....regardless of which side wins..... the tragedy is how they will have won....and the fact that in the end....it will not matter who won because each side is simply the same basic argument (just with different preferred expressions of that position).

In other words I declare Frankie and Crow to be essentially exactly the same. One may insist on jeans the other slacks.......but in the end they both are for pants.

I took some time to analyse what you said... You could pretty much wedge that interpretation onto every debate in the history of man... But still... Well put, Dog.

[Skell18]

I prefer skirts.

Not what my intel suggests

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good post SD.....but I must be different...............am I wrong?


I prefer skirts.

[Snusdog]

By your logic, we should then allow businesses to exclude non-whites. If the non-whites don't like it, then they should find another business that will gladly serve them.

Yeah... That sounds like a wonderful idea, and it sounds eerily familiar --

Not exactly.....society has determined on rational, moral, and scientific grounds that melatonin does not determine species. Regardless of how popular....or which side of the debate over same sex you promote...........the same cannot be said.......(and please........I am not saying that one side is less human than the other..........rather I am saying that neither side has demonstrated that their view is the legitimate expression of said humanity.....mainly because neither side can clearly articulate what it means to be human....both as individual and an individual in society)

I like Elephant tusks....I want Elephant tusks....I demand my right to own Elephant tusks and not to be excluded by the prejudice of the owners of plastic goods............is that all there is to it ..........or does the discussion encompassed a wider spectrum of consideration...........if so........what spectrum and why.............is that spectrum limited to the matter at hand......or is it indicative of a wider stance towards the world..........if you have no idea what I am talking about.............Why not?........is it that I am stupid......or is it that this entire debate has missed the essential elements of the debate necessary to adjudicate the resolve.

Just because your buddy Joe and his step daughter Linda as well as a guy in your office named Ralf agree with your position does not mean that (a) you have grasped the fundamental issue at stake.....or (b) that you are correct in your resolve of that issue.....regardless of how popular in your own selective circle that resolve may be.

My problem with all the answers given in this entire discussion (on both sides) is that none of these answers exhibit a basic understanding of the question...........we are merely playing darts in the dark with no idea of where the target is located or even if there is a target…..we are simply parroting the blindness of our favorite talk shows and columnists

As such, the truly tragic in all this is not that one side may win out over the other.....but....regardless of which side wins..... the tragedy is how they will have won....and the fact that in the end....it will not matter who won because each side is simply the same basic argument (just with different preferred expressions of that position).

In other words I declare Frankie and Crow to be essentially exactly the same. One may insist on jeans the other slacks.......but in the end they both are for pants.

[Skell18]

By your logic, we should then allow businesses to exclude non-whites. If the non-whites don't like it, then they should find another business that will gladly serve them.

Yeah... That sounds like a wonderful idea, and it sounds eerily familiar --

It was called apartheid, I lived through it, it didn't work, look at SA now, in parts its apartheid in reverse!

[Crow]

I had to lighten things up a bit in here...

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.........I can't stop laffing

[Crow]

The only good way of handling a situation when somebody does not want to work for me is to go elsewhere.

If I go to a rabbi demanding a wedding ceremony in his synagogue and he refuses because both bride and bridegroom are Catholics, it is not proper for me to cry bloody murder and ask the legislators to pass new anti-semitic laws. The only proper way is to get married by somebody who has no problem with me and my wife-to-be.

Now, why can´t the homos understand that their liberties end exactly where liberties of other people begin? Why do they have to form a lynch mob against anybody who does not want them in his business?

By your logic, we should then allow businesses to exclude non-whites. If the non-whites don't like it, then they should find another business that will gladly serve them.

Yeah... That sounds like a wonderful idea, and it sounds eerily familiar --

[Frankie Reloaded]

The only good way of handling a situation when somebody does not want to work for me is to go elsewhere.

If I go to a rabbi demanding a wedding ceremony in his synagogue and he refuses because both bride and bridegroom are Catholics, it is not proper for me to cry bloody murder and ask the legislators to pass new anti-semitic laws. The only proper way is to get married by somebody who has no problem with me and my wife-to-be.

Now, why can´t the homos understand that their liberties end exactly where liberties of other people begin? Why do they have to form a lynch mob against anybody who does not want them in his business?

EDIT: About the schools... You can google up cases of parents sent to jail because they refused to have their kids indoctrinated by homosexual school agenda they find repulsive. Many European countries have compulsory education system. You cannot just take your kid out of school. Private institutions (schools) have to keep to mandatory curriculum. The only way around this is just like in Communist times: You teach your kids that they have to say one thing in public and other thing in private. It works. Everybody now talks about "gays" in public, but I really do not remember hearing that word in a private conversation. The most commonly used term is one that would get me banned here.. you can guess. It also describes bundles of truss for the fire.

[Crow]

@ Crow: Do you mean retribution like vengeance? Is this really adequate? Like firebombing a restaurant which refused to serve me because it requires suit and tie and I came in shorts and a wifebeater?

I was merely pointing out that there are some individuals that would take the exclusion to heart, and would seek retribution.

But I never said anything about firebombing a restaurant. That was exactly the sort of behavior that I said should be condemned. There are better ways to handle a situation in which you feel you've been wronged. A violent act (or threat of one) is not the way to do it.

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And no, I'm not saying that GN's kids are going to turn gay just because of what they're learning in school. I'm just saying that he should have a say in what they're learning. They're his kids.

If he's that inflicted about his children learning about human sexuality in the school system, then he should withdraw his child from the school; and look for a private institution that will teach whatever he feels is best for his children. You cannot stifle education for the other children in the school because you don't want your child to know about homosexuality (... or evolution ... or 'wedge whatever you want here')

[pouchface]

Things are getting really weird from GN's neck of the woods. While these things may turn his children into liberal feminist twats it certainly will not turn them gay.

Also pouchface I lived in VA for a year. Based on its shitty school system, drivers, roads, and the populations constant idolization of being poor, I think that shitty state could use someone like me in office.

With all due respect, you lived in Fluvanna County. Most of the rest of the state has our heads screwed on straight, although I wouldn't stop you from replacing the bribe-taking asshole currently serving as our governor.

And no, I'm not saying that GN's kids are going to turn gay just because of what they're learning in school. I'm just saying that he should have a say in what they're learning. They're his kids.

[Frankie Reloaded]

@ Crow: Do you mean retribution like vengeance? Is this really adequate? Like firebombing a restaurant which refused to serve me because it requires suit and tie and I came in shorts and a wifebeater?

[Thunder_Snus]

Thunder, you should run for public office. Elections would get a hell of a lot more entertaining.

But seriously, while I agree with Thunder and Crow on this, I feel like (based on what GN and Frankie are saying) that things are headed in a much more liberal direction in Europe, some might say scarily so. And I do feel that parents do have a right to teach their children what they think is right; that's the most basic expression of free speech. It's the only way to keep ideas (good or bad) alive.

Things are getting really weird from GN's neck of the woods. While these things may turn his children into liberal feminist twats it certainly will not turn them gay.

Also pouchface I lived in VA for a year. Based on its shitty school system, drivers, roads, and the populations constant idolization of being poor, I think that shitty state could use someone like me in office.