Pioneer Snuff, Loose

Blimey - how can you get BERGAMOT pure essential oil that tastes like caraway/aniseed?? I thought that the point of pure essential oils was that they were ... well ... pure??

After all the waiting and anticipation for this stuff I've now got 6 cans and it's pretty horrible. I can't stand the taste of caraway FWIW so that clouds my judgement - it is a flavour favoured by the Swedes so I assume it isn't as disastrous for them as it is for me. Wish I could have tasted the first batch though - it sounded amazing!

Originally Posted by UsualSnuspects:
"Oh Luckily with liasons such as you we're still able to figure out what's going."

I'm around anytime you guys need help, just shoot me a PM or email.

Originally Posted by chadizzy1:
"It was a simple mistake, I'm sure. It happens, I can't tell you how many times I've had products that didn't taste the same from batch to batch."

Oh hi Chad. :)

Yeah, I'm a bit emotional about it atm since it's all the snus I have.
I'd be more understanding if someone from Pioneer would have responded to me, or better yet, for Petter to have announced something having been aware of the error. Other small manufacturers with unpredictable flavors at least have some presence on these boards. Luckily with liasons such as you we're still able to figure out what's going on.

That said I'd love this stuff if it didn't taste like my grandmother's pastilles.

Originally Posted by UsualSnuspects:
"Nope. Chad from snubie.com wrote to Petter and paraphrased his reply:
Pioneer said they switched to a different manufacturer for the bergamot oil they use in Pioneer which he says did have a certain anis flavor they noticed after they got it. *He told the employees not to use it but after a mix up it ended up being used.
I've created a ticket at Northerner.com requesting my money back/full credit for my 16 cans. The fact the Pioneer would still ship this makes me cringe. What else does he tell his employees not to put in the snus?"

It was a simple mistake, I'm sure. It happens, I can't tell you how many times I've had products that didn't taste the same from batch to batch.

Nope. Chad from snubie.com wrote to Petter and paraphrased his reply:

Pioneer said they switched to a different manufacturer for the bergamot oil they use in Pioneer which he says did have a certain anis flavor they noticed after they got it. *He told the employees not to use it but after a mix up it ended up being used.

I've created a ticket at Northerner.com requesting my money back/full credit for my 16 cans. The fact the Pioneer would still ship this makes me cringe. What else does he tell his employees not to put in the snus?

I have been using Pioneer all day for weeks now. It tastes fine to me.

In the begining from memory I think it definately came off as just a straight dark tobacco but over time with a lot of use maybe you start to pick up more flavors?

Originally Posted by UsualSnuspects:
" Where else did you hear about the anis?"

Other people around here. There's a couple posts that mention it. I first thought it was people picking up hints of anis in the old formulation. It was sort of there if you used some imagination, or had rockin' taste buds, but it's become apparent to me that they're adding flavor, because too many have mentioned it. The anis wasn't pronounced at all from the original blend. It was as much anis as American leaf chew is bourbon. The flavor was there, but you had to work for it, and fill in some blanks.

Originally Posted by lxskllr:
"I've been hearing reports of it being flavored with anis, and I find that disturbing. I like anis a lot, but I already have the best there is with Gotland's offering. I liked the older Pioneer with the plain taste. It was like Ettan, but better. I was happy to have a plain snus that wasn't SM. Hopefully they'll switch back, or maybe dual release them :^/"

I too would be sorry to see them go in this direction..........

Originally Posted by lxskllr:
"I've been hearing reports of it being flavored with anis, and I find that disturbing. I like anis a lot, but I already have the best there is with Gotland's offering. I liked the older Pioneer with the plain taste. It was like Ettan, but better. I was happy to have a plain snus that wasn't SM. Hopefully they'll switch back, or maybe dual release them :^/"

Pioneer seems to be silent on the subject and won't respond to my email. Where else did you hear about the anis? I'm now officially pissed, as I don't like anis, and I have 16 cans of this bologna.